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To: Tramonto
Are you some sort of inquisitor?

No but gosh I would love to be.

Just in case you were wondering, I never studied Greek.

Okay

Who is the stone that the builders rejected? Peter or Jesus? Thank you for giving support to my arguement. Did you really mean tos ay that Jesus was only a pebble?

1,614 posted on 01/18/2012 8:22:43 AM PST by verga (We get what we tolerate and increase that which we reward)
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To: verga
I'll make it really simple. Who is the stone in Psalm 118:22?

22 The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief corner stone.

A: Jesus

Who is the stone in Matthew 21:44?

42 Jesus *said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures,

‘THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED,
THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone;
THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD,
AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES’?

43 Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a [m]people, producing the fruit of it. 44 And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust.”

A: Jesus

Who did Peter(by the Holy Spirit) say the stone is?

8 Then Peter, [c]filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “[d]Rulers and elders of the people, 9 if we are [e]on trial today for a benefit done to a sick man, [f]as to how this man has been made well, 10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that [g]by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—[h]by [i]this name this man stands here before you in good health. 11 [j]He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

A: Jesus

Who is the stone in Romans 9:33?

30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is [t]by faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it [u]by faith, but as though it were [v]by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33 just as it is written,

“BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE,
AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE [w]DISAPPOINTED.”

A: Jesus

Now for the best part. Here is an opportunity for Catholics who believe in the Alter-Christ to twist some scripture.

1Peter 2:4-8

4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is [i]choice and precious in the sight of God, 5 you also, as living stones, [j]are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For this is contained in [k]Scripture:

“BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER stone,
AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN [l]HIM WILL NOT BE [m]DISAPPOINTED.”

7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve,

“THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED,
THIS BECAME THE VERY CORNER stone,”

8 and,

“A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE”;

for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.

Now, who is the stone in verse 4 and who are the stones in verse 5? Its quite clear Peter is referring to believers. Peter is calling me, Tramonto, a living stone. In verses 7 and 8, the stone is again referring to Jesus. Jesus named Peter a stone and Peter named all believers as living stones but it is Jesus who is the corner stone upon which the church is built.

Ephesians 2:19-22

19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the [p]saints, and are of God’s household, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy [q]temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Here Paul calls Jesus the corner stone and then he goes on to call the apostles and the prophets as being the foundation upon which all other believers are built. The prophets wrote the old testament and the Apostles along with their companions wrote the new testament.

The true church is built on Jesus and the prophets (old testament) and the apostles (new testament). There is a kernel of truth to the false Catholic teaching that Peter is the rock upon which the church is built because he is one of the apostles that is part of the foundation. True Christians believe Peter when he says that Jesus is the chief corner stone.

Who should Christians believe? Jesus, King David, Isaiah, Peter and Paul or the man who claims he is the Alter-Christ?

Matthew 16:21-23

21 From that time [r]Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day. 22 Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “[s]God forbid it, Lord! This shall never [t]happen to You.” 23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on [u]God’s interests, but man’s.”

Matthew writes about this episode right after the one where Peter confesses that Jesus is the Son of God. Now it is clear from other scripture that the corner stone of the church is Christ but it seems that Peter, as a "living stone" and an apostle, is a piece of the foundation built upon Christ and upon which all other believers are built. In verse 23 Jesus calls Peter "satan" and a "stumbling block" because he was setting his mind on man's interests rather than God's. Peter is not infallible and neither is the Alter-Christ. The Roman Catholic Church is built on the rock that is Peter but its not from Matthew 16:18 but rather Matthew 16:23. The rock being the stumbling block and Peter as someone who is pursuing man's interests rather than God's.

In review, the corner stone is Jesus. The prophets and the apostles, which I interpret to be the Bible, are the foundation and all believers are living stones in a spiritual temple that is the true church. The hierarchical organization that is run by the Alter-Christ is not spiritual, not built on Christ, the prophets or the apostles but rather on the traditions of man.

1,667 posted on 01/18/2012 12:31:09 PM PST by Tramonto (Draft Palin)
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