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To: CynicalBear; MarkBsnr

***Nope, just pointing out that the majority and long history argument that Catholics love to use falls flat.***

More complete misunderstanding of Catholicism and the Church.

It is not the “majority” that shows the Church has done as Jesus commanded. It is that the Church is present throughout the whole world, “all the nations”. That people respond to the truth they hear from the Church is an action of the Holy Spirit.

It also is not so much that the Church has been here for 2,000 years, it is that the Church has prevailed, as Jesus promised it would. That it has been 2,000 years is only because, gee, it’s been 2,000 years since Christ lived and died and rose again.

Neither of these things would be or could be true, if the Holy Spirit does not guide and protect the Church, just as Jesus promised.

Acts 5:39but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God.”

40They took his advice; and after calling the apostles in, they flogged them and ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and then released them. 41So they went on their way from the presence of the Council, rejoicing that they had been considered worthy to suffer shame for His name. 42And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they kept right on teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ.


1,235 posted on 01/14/2012 10:35:07 AM PST by Jvette
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To: Jvette
>>Neither of these things would be or could be true, if the Holy Spirit does not guide and protect the Church, just as Jesus promised.<<

Islam was started in 622. Does the length of time they have been in existence indicate they also are “protecting” them?

1,239 posted on 01/14/2012 11:05:29 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Jvette
It also is not so much that the Church has been here for 2,000 years, it is that the Church has prevailed, as Jesus promised it would. That it has been 2,000 years is only because, gee, it’s been 2,000 years since Christ lived and died and rose again. Neither of these things would be or could be true, if the Holy Spirit does not guide and protect the Church, just as Jesus promised.

They'll hold their breath and turn blue until God gives control of their own salvation over to them.

1,266 posted on 01/14/2012 1:11:46 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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