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To: ExtremeUnction
My wife and I each went to catholic school for 12 years. In looking back at all this Mary silliness we are embarssed for you. “Immaculate Conception - pul-lease! No disespect, but come on! Sheesh

I'll bet that neither of you did very well in the religion class, and would have fallen flat in a real theology course...immaculate conception...did not the angel address her as "full of grace"? sounds sinless to me...blessed art thou among women...kind of places her above other women wouldn't you say???

105 posted on 01/11/2012 8:51:38 PM PST by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: terycarl; metmom
I'll bet that neither of you did very well in the religion class, and would have fallen flat in a real theology course...immaculate conception...did not the angel address her as "full of grace"? sounds sinless to me...blessed art thou among women...kind of places her above other women wouldn't you say???

From Youngs LITERAL Greek translation

Luk 1:28 And the messenger having come in unto her, said, `Hail, favoured one, the Lord [is] with thee; blessed [art] thou among women;'

charitoō

This is NOT A NOUN describing someone..it is a VERB..an action

1) to make graceful
a) charming, lovely, agreeable
2) to peruse with grace, compass with favour
3) to honour with blessings

Grace is not a liquid like gas that we fill a tank with.. it is Gods unearned favor..

God had favored her with the blessing of being the mother of my Savior.. she was blessed..

There is not one thing anywhere to suggest she was sinless...

120 posted on 01/11/2012 9:02:15 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: terycarl
...immaculate conception...did not the angel address her as "full of grace"? sounds sinless to me

Sounds more like you're wrong. There is nothing in Scripture that says that being full of grace equates to sinlessness.

...blessed art thou among women...kind of places her above other women wouldn't you say???

No, because the angel said among women, not above women.

131 posted on 01/11/2012 9:09:10 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl; ExtremeUnction
>>blessed art thou among women...kind of places her above other women wouldn't you say???<<

Nope.

Luke 11:27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Nay rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

The words spoken to Mary were no different then were spoken to Jael in Judges. In fact, Jael was called blessed above women. Mary was called blessed among women.

Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be,

Those words were also spoken of Noah, Moses, and David.

162 posted on 01/11/2012 9:26:19 PM PST by CynicalBear
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