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Mary: Mother of God?
What Does the Bible say? ^ | 01/11/2012 | Bro. Lev Humphries,

Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7

Mary: Mother of God?

This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."

This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.

Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?

The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.

Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."

The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".

This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."

It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: blessedvirginmary; calvinismisdead; divinity; humanity; ignoranceisbliss; mariolatry; mary; motherofgod; nestorianheresy; nestorians; perpetualvirginity; theotokos
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To: D-fendr
But the Word, logos, in John 1: is not the same as holy scripture. Jesus is not scripture, scripture is not God.

Correct. Thanks for pointing this out.

What I meant to imply by the chosen passage was that when he spoke, even at 12 years old, he didn't need a physical Bible because he embodied the Word of God.

561 posted on 01/12/2012 5:57:58 PM PST by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon.)
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To: CynicalBear

becoming “partakers of the divine nature” does not make one god.
it has been pointed out to you before, but you continue to do the will of the father of lies.

keep it up.


562 posted on 01/12/2012 5:58:32 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: stonehouse01
>> In other words, it is not inordinate affection<<

So you also have a statue of your mother and kneel before it to pray? Do you also have a statue of her on your lawn? Pretend like the “affection” for Mary isn’t inordinate if you want but no non Catholic buys it.

563 posted on 01/12/2012 6:01:29 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; one Lord one faith one baptism
And off we go on a wack a mole wonderland!

Not that you might care to, CB, but for those who honestly do wish to understand what is referred to here, this can serve as a primer:

Divinization (Christian)

In Christian theology, divinization, deification, making divine or theosis is the transforming effect of divine grace.[1] This concept of salvation is historical and fundamental for Christian understanding that is prominent in the Eastern Orthodox Church and also in the Catholic Church,[2][3] and is a doctrine of growing importance in certain Protestant denominations, being revived in Anglicanism in the mid-19th century.[1]…

564 posted on 01/12/2012 6:03:01 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: editor-surveyor
>>You are changing God’s word.<<

Catholics have to change God’s word to believe what they believe.

565 posted on 01/12/2012 6:04:15 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: bondserv

No problem, bondserv, I apologize for interrupting.


566 posted on 01/12/2012 6:05:37 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: editor-surveyor
>>and where do you evben get that out of CB’s comment anyway?<<

From what I posted. The CC indeed teaches that men will become gods. See post 560.

567 posted on 01/12/2012 6:06:43 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Jvette
>>The statement was made by CB, that Jesus received His divine nature when the Holy Spirit gave it to Him at conception.<<

Do you deny that the human form of Jesus received divinity at conception?

568 posted on 01/12/2012 6:08:21 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Continued ignorance defies excuse.

Do you even know what an idol is?


569 posted on 01/12/2012 6:11:02 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: verga
>>Please docuement that this is a dogmatic or doctrinal teaching of the Catholic Church.<<

See post 560

570 posted on 01/12/2012 6:11:02 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: verga; smvoice
>>If mary and the Saints can't pray for us then you cajn't either<<

Find one example from scripture of deceased people being asked to pray for us.

571 posted on 01/12/2012 6:14:08 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

And what does this mean to you?

Polytheism?


572 posted on 01/12/2012 6:14:33 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Good to see you still sharing it! This political season has my spirit stirred up. Back to Freeping for now. :-)


573 posted on 01/12/2012 6:15:55 PM PST by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon.)
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To: D-fendr
>>First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men...<<

Now find one example of those being people who are deceased.

574 posted on 01/12/2012 6:16:45 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

***Do you deny that the human form of Jesus received divinity at conception?***

Try and deflect all you like, dear CB, that was not the question put to you, nor was that your answer.

The divine nature of Jesus is eternal, He did not receive it from the Holy Spirit at conception which is what you claimed in that post.

The only thing Jesus received at His conception was His human nature, His physical body, which was united to His divine nature through the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit.


575 posted on 01/12/2012 6:17:50 PM PST by Jvette
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To: CynicalBear

Wack A Mole!

First moles, first:

So do you walk back your intercessor statement now?


576 posted on 01/12/2012 6:18:41 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
>> becoming “partakers of the divine nature” does not make one god.<<

CCC 460 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."

Take it up with the CC. It looks pretty straight forward to me. Even has the capitol G.

577 posted on 01/12/2012 6:20:33 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

You do know that summoning means the calling up as in raise someone from the dead it has nothing at all to do with praying with those who are in Glory with the Risen Living Lord.


578 posted on 01/12/2012 6:24:04 PM PST by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: CynicalBear; one Lord one faith one baptism
It looks pretty straight forward to me.

If it means polytheism to you or anyone else, that is wrong, not a teaching of the Church, contrary to the creeds of the Church. Big time.

So, if that is what you get, you need to ask, read further, look at what is meant by the statement, understand what the concept, teaching, scriptural references are.

One would have to be honest in order to do this. The question that remains is, "are you"?

579 posted on 01/12/2012 6:24:46 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
>> Do you even know what an idol is? Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

What hangs in the front of Catholic churches? I would call that an image of the uncorruptible God like unto corruptible man. Most Cathlics also have one or more in their home.

580 posted on 01/12/2012 6:25:30 PM PST by CynicalBear
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