A Greek speaking orthodox priest says-"REALLY!"
Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
Mary: Mother of God?
This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."
This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.
Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?
The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.
Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."
The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."
The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".
This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."
It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.
Wasn't that a particular major historical Heresy? Marcion, perhaps?
Nope.
Luke 11:27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Nay rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
The words spoken to Mary were no different then were spoken to Jael in Judges. In fact, Jael was called blessed above women. Mary was called blessed among women.
Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be,
Those words were also spoken of Noah, Moses, and David.
“who stop making Jesus the center of their worship and faith”
are you referring to those who reject the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist?
I think we need to ask our Evangelical friends if Jesus had a human soul.
So you’re saying that Jesus human form existed throughout eternity?
His human form recieved it's divinity at conception.
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Phil 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Thanks Brother. I think it's all they have to argue with.
His human BODY died, and his incorruptible body arose.
I'm surprised there was any confusion about this.
Well, what part of Jesus died on the cross? There ARE only two options: His human nature, or His divine nature.
If you disagree that His human nature died, then by default you must accept that it was His divine nature which died.
Now what?
The Chaldean Catholic liturgical books give the priest the option of referring to Mary as either “Mother of God” or “Mother of Christ”.
[Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. Let there be a remembrance of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God (or: Christ), upon the holy altar.]
http://kaldu.org/14_Reformed_ChaldeanMass/PeopleBook_Eng.html
And, before Jesus was made flesh, he had no humanity. Mary gave birth to the humanity of Jesus Christ and now he is STILL in the glorified body that, one day:
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. (I John 3:2)
Christ was God before Mary was born..He did not need Mary to be God
Thank you for the reminder, I will be sure to do so next time.
As we see in this discussion, it is all about Jesus. Debates about Mary are debates about Jesus. That is the point of Theotokos, the point of the council in rejecting Nestorius. It was his belief about Jesus that was revealed in his statments about Mary.
The Incarnation interweaves the two. Get either one wrong and you get them both wrong as well as the Incarnation.
The term “Trinity” is NOT in the Bible.
However, if you want to debate the Biblical basis for the Blessed Trinity or deny 3 persons in One God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, you better start another thread.
Meanwhile, read Jn 15:26
It seems they can’t make up their minds of whether they are Nestorians, Eutychians, or Apollinarians.
What is clear is that Evangelical Christology is fundamentally heretical.
hmmm, maybe you missed it, but He is not dead, He rose on the third day.
His human nature is as alive today as it was when He walked the earth.
( remember, you were supposed to have been Catholic once, i shouldn’t have to keep explaining the Faith to you )
A Greek speaking orthodox priest says-"REALLY!"
Who said Jesus was not fully human.. our point is that was Marys only contribution to Jesus
Revelations: 5: 8> “...the twenty four elders fell down before the lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and bowls filled with incense, which are the >prayers of the holy ones.” These are OUR prayers here on Earth. Everyone in Heaven is already perfect as they are in Heaven.
The ‘elders’ represent the Saints in Heaven offering OUR prayers to God. (It's all part of a prayer-chain. Our prayers here on Earth & the ‘offering of the prayers to God by the Saints.)
Thank you for defending the True Church. + I know God works through prayers. Can a Catholic with True-Charity pray for Protestants by shouting at them through a Bullhorn?
They most certainly do. See post 60
“Need” is NOT the issue here.
Who came from Mary’s womb?
Jesus Christ, both Man and God!
If you persist in attempting to explain the mysteries of faith in terms of human understanding, you will end up an atheist.
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