Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
When one's purpose is to be antiCatholic, then nothing else matters.
Mark, you are right, i dont care. As far as Mary goes, we call her Blessed and the unbelievers call her Ishtar.
When your only high point in life is to name your own salvation, nothing else matters, even reality.
I have great concerns for those who get "caught up" in this Maryology...even in the least bit. It always appears to lead people away from Christ and she becomes central...if He is spoken of it's generally after the fact as if speaking His name sanctions these acts of worhip, or adoration, or what ever they choose to call it.
It is noteworthy that even in discussions about statues, shrines etc. Jesus is rarely mentioned if at all...it's as if He's the decorative ornament on the entity they are speaking of, with, or attempting to engage people with.
i can always tell those that follow EGW and her heretical teachings:
THEY HATE THE CHURCH WITH A PASSION.
that’s ok, the devil has been trying to destroy the Church for 2,000 years, unfortunately, the Holy Spirit won’t let him!
Your little unattributed polemic (not surprising) does not jive with the vast writings of the Reformers. Shall I provide quotes?
A man of knowledge uses words with restraint and a man of understanding is even-tempered. Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.
You post words of wisdom. I however have been wronged and lies posted about me are unacknowleged and treated as truth. Therefore I shall continue until said idiot confesses it in the same public fashion that he posted initially.
Take that up with the CC and what it actually teaches.
877 Likewise, it belongs to the sacramental nature of ecclesial ministry that it have a collegial character. In fact, from the beginning of his ministry, the Lord Jesus instituted the Twelve as "the seeds of the new Israel and the beginning of the sacred hierarchy." Chosen together, they were also sent out together, and their fraternal unity would be at the service of the fraternal communion of all the faithful: they would reflect and witness to the communion of the divine persons. For this reason every bishop exercises his ministry from within the episcopal college, in communion with the bishop of Rome, the successor of St. Peter and head of the college. So also priests exercise their ministry from within the presbyterium of the diocese, under the direction of their bishop. [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/877.htm]
Just as the Old Testament is full of foreshadows of the New Testament (typology), Catholics believe the Bible is clear that the New Jerusalem of the Book of Revelation is not the historic city of Jerusalem. We do not believe that present day Israel is the same spiritual entity as the historic Israel before the time of Christ. After the crucifixion, the curtain of the Jewish sanctuary was torn in two (Mk 15:37-39, Lk 23:44-46, Mt 27:51) which was God tearing his cloths. At that point, a transfer of authority happened and we believe that the fledgling Church became the New Israel. [http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/why_did_the_catholic_church_move_to_rome_from_jerusalem.htm]
became the new Israel is NOT saying they joined Israel.
Only if you force something into it and ignore the rest of scripture that applies.
Unbelievers don't care one way or another what you call her. But Christians call her Mary....catholicism calls her:
Queen of angels,...Queen of prophets,...Queen of apostles,...Queen of martyrs,...Queen of confessors,...Queen of virgins,....Queen of all saints,....Queen conceived without original sin,...Queen assumed into heaven,....Queen of the most holy Rosary,.....Queen of families....Queen of peace.
Seat of wisdom,......Cause of our joy,....Spiritual vessel,....Vessel of honor....Singular vessel of devotion....Mystical Rose, ...............................
Tower of David,.....Tower of ivory,.....House of gold,.....Ark of the covenant,......Gate of heaven,..... Morning star,......................
Health of the sick, Refuge of sinners, Comforter of the afflicted................
Virgin most venerable, Virgin most renowned, Virgin most powerful, Virgin most merciful, Virgin most faithful,........................
Holy Mother of God, Holy Virgin of virgins Mother of the Church Mother of divine grace Mother most pure, Mother most chaste, Mother inviolate, Mother undefiled, Mother most amiable, Mother most admirable, Mother of good counsel, Mother of our Creator,......................
Just to name a few titles. MAny of which are exclusively Christ's and His alone...and some dare say she is not worshipped?????
...but a prudent man overlooks an insult.
“Just to name a few titles. MAny of which are exclusively Christ’s and His alone...and some dare say she is not worshipped????? “
isn’t it interesting that only non-Catholics say Catholics worship Mary?
no Catholic would or ever could worship Mary and every Catholic knows this.
now, if Mary really was supposed to be worshipped according to Catholic doctrine and Catholics deny worshipping her, wouldn’t they be sinning?
for example, Catholic doctrine days the Trinity ( Father, Son and Holy Spirit ) alone should be worshipped. A Catholic would sinning if they denied this.
but non-Catholics understand this, it’s more fun spreading “untruths” isn’t it?
More truth. However, I am not always prudent...
Try.
There is no Christianity in those that follow her. You have hit the nail right on the thumb.
I am not sure that I can do in this case.
Most Christians don’t follow other Christians...they “try” to let Christ have His way with them....thus walking with the Lord...not with another individual....unless of course a husband or wife.
Church fathers said to be at variance with eschatology of Roman Catholicism: http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00CAjU
LOL......oh my gosh Mark...I was thinking of putting Yoda’s ‘do or do not’ out there but then ...well...maybe I should have.
You say you don’t think you can in this case? Well, what was that little train that said ...”I think I can, I think Ican”? So get on board!
Again, much wisdom. I understand about the relationship of a Christian wife. Mine is without parallel and God's special gift to me. She has given me five wonderful children and is the most excellent manager of finances of our household. Not only that, she looks wonderful in a bikini and even better out of it.
I have been blessed far beyond my deserving.
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