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[johngrace] - the Early Church Father's (while important) are not equal with God or Christ Jesus who is the WORD of God. Since God and the WORD speak to us about "reckon" then HIS WORD is correct no matter what men write about.

Isaiah 55:8: For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isaiah 55:9: For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:10: For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Isaiah 55:11: So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

God's WORD and thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

God's WORD is always right first and above man or any organization; we have only to follow God's WORD which is following the truth of the WORD of God and His Spirit will teach us, not men's infallable spirits and thoughts...

You said that you have read the Early Church Father; whoopee, I read God's WORD to get correct Bible doctrine and teachings, not relying on men's infallable spirits and thoughts... I also own and read the Ante-Nicene Early Church Father's writings; but I hold with them that God's WORD is higher and more esteemed, something more people on this board should do before it's too late for their soul...

Funny, the guys on that blog also dispute Dave Armstrong. I know that the standard defense is to imply the “fathers” were misquoted, but I do not think they are. In fact, many of them may only influence the Magesterium on certain issues and not others and a few were later excommunicated. So the Catholic Church does its own picking and choosing of ECFs’ thoughts and arguments over certain doctrines. Either way, as much as some of them were close to the time of the Apostles, and may have been taught by them or their close disciples, it doesn't impart to them infallibility and whatever their beliefs were, it doesn't change what Scripture says. That is the only true infallible authority we have that is acknowledge as being from God directly. Divinely-inspired means that it is God-breathed, so nothing man can think up - no matter how pious or brilliant they are can take the place of Holy Scripture. The same Holy Spirit that they relied upon for illumination, is STILL present today and STILL leads us into all truth.

I hope your holidays were happy and I pray you have a peaceful and restful night. Happy new year!