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To: rzman21; RnMomof7; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
The Catholic definition of Church means having a valid priesthood and valid sacraments. That means only the Orthodox are true Churches based on the definition of St. Ignatius of Antioch from 105 A.D.

So much for ONE Catholic church.

How's that unity thing working out for you guys? I'll bet the folks in Rome aren't too happy with your assessment of the situation.

146 posted on 01/02/2012 4:51:58 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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The Orthodox are in schism with the Catholic Church, but remain true Churches because they have retained a valid priesthood and valid sacraments.

Unlike the Protestant bodies that have rejected the sacraments and apostolic succession.

On the other hand, Eberhard Jüngel sees something different there. The fact that in its time the Second Vatican Council did not state that the one and only Church of Christ is exclusively the Roman Catholic Church perplexes Jüngel. In the Constitution Lumen gentium, it says only that the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him”, not expressing any exclusivity with the Latin word “subsistit”.

Unfortunately once again I cannot follow the reasoning of my esteemed colleague, Jüngel. I was there at the Second Vatican Council when the term “subsistit” was chosen and I can say I know it well. Regrettably one cannot go into details in an interview. In his Encyclical Pius XII said: the Roman Catholic Church “is” the one Church of Jesus Christ. This seems to express a complete identity, which is why there was no Church outside the Catholic community. However, this is not the case: according to Catholic teaching, which Pius XII obviously also shared, the local Churches of the Eastern Church separated from Rome are authentic local Churches; the communities that sprang from the Reformation are constituted differently, as I just said. In these the Church exists at the moment when the event takes place.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/theology/obdomihs.htm

ECCLESIAL COMMUNION AND ECUMENISM

17. “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honoured by the name of Christian, but who do not however profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter”(72). Among the non-Catholic Churches and Christian communities, there are indeed to be found many elements of the Church of Christ, which allow us, amid joy and hope, to acknowledge the existence of a certain communion, albeit imperfect(73).

This communion exists especially with the Eastern orthodox Churches, which, though separated from the See of Peter, remain united to the Catholic Church by means of very close bonds, such as the apostolic succession and a valid Eucharist, and therefore merit the title of particular Churches(74). Indeed, “through the celebration of the Eucharist of the Lord in each of these Churches, the Church of God is built up and grows in stature”(75), for in every valid celebration of the Eucharist the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church becomes truly present(76).
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_28051992_communionis-notio_en.html


155 posted on 01/02/2012 5:01:08 PM PST by rzman21 (To know history is to cease to be a Protestant (John Henry Newman))
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To: metmom
>> So much for ONE Catholic church.<<

Huh boy! Now I gotta git popcorn and wait to see who they think the church really is?

158 posted on 01/02/2012 5:04:23 PM PST by CynicalBear
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