I know this offends the multi-culturalist post-modern spirit that many have been brought up (especially in public schools) to believe. But this is reality. As the author said:
According to a recent survey, two-thirds of evangelicals under the age of 35 believe non-Christians can go to heaven, even though Jesus clearly said, "No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6).
So. Even Evangelicals are losing their way by claiming, in effect here, that Jesus didn't need to come to earth -- and die on the cross, after all...other roads to heaven somehow exist...though Jesus Himself knew of none!
God started off as some intelligence...became a man...then a god? He has a body of flesh and bones? This body came and had intercourse with Mary? You, too can become a god? This is really the beliefs of a man somebody would seriously consider making THE leader of the free world?
Seriously?
The top discussed threads in 2011 dealing with Mormon 'Weirdness' (Note: 2 of the first four listed were started by Mormons – so they themselves recognize their own peculiarity):
* Are Mormons "Weird"? (418 replies)
* Anne Frank, a Mormon? (314 replies)
* HAVE YOU NOTICED THIS ABOUT MORMONS? (309 replies)
* About Mormonism - Mormon Underwear (296 replies)
* Mormonism and Mitt Romney’s “Weirdness” (235 replies)
* 21 facts everyone should know about Mormon teaching [Mormonism/Anti-Christian] (110 replies)
Sampling of other threads on the 'weird' beliefs of Mormons:
* Planet Kolob to Mormons: It’s not our weird beliefs, it’s our credibility
* Mormonism's Outlandish Heresies [Mormonism/Anti-Christian]
Discussions on FR in 2011 about whether Mormonism is a cult were common:
* Cult! A Classic False Claim (551 replies)
* COLUMN: Can the LDS religion be considered a cult? CO (355 replies)
* Mormon official challenges 'cult' designation (286 replies)
* Hey, Who are You Calling a Cult? (244 replies)
* Mormon Hypocrisy Gamecock (201 replies)
* Rick Perry backer Robert Jeffress: Mitt Romney not a Christian (195 replies) Is Mormonism a Cult? (182 replies)
* Mormonism, Cults, and Christianity (Is Mormonism a Cult, or is it simply not Christian?) (150 replies)
* Mars Hill Pastor Mark Driscoll: Mormonism is a cult (110 replies)
* Perry Supporter Calls Mormonism a “Cult” (102 replies)
Sampling of other threads on this topic: Perry backer: Romney in a 'cult,' not a Christian
* Mormonism, Cults and Christianity
* Opinion: Is Mormonism a cult?
* It's a cult
* MORMONISM: CHRISTIAN OR CULT?
* Mormon Errors [Mormonism/Anti-Christian]
These baptisms of dead people are done secretly.
Freeper threads in 2011 dealing with the "secret" activities of Mormons:
* Anne Frank, a Mormon? (314 replies)
* Temple dress guidelines [MormonISM - Open] (157 replies)
* Is God's Kingdom a Kingdom of Secrecy? [Mormonism]
* The Secret LDS Temple Ceremony [Mormonism/Anti-Christian]
* Go Ahead And Skip That Temple Wedding (Mormon)
* Why the need for secret death oaths in the LDS Temple Endowment Ceremony? [Secretive Mormon church]
* Mormons even marry the dead by proxy (Vanity: The OTHER World Series)
* Mormon bishop's daughter spills Romney's 'secrets' ...
* Mormon bishop's daughter spills Romney's 'secrets' ...
The Mormon church didn't “repudiate” polygamy. It just initially went more underground (the Lds church continued to solemnize hundreds of plural unions from 1890 to 1910!) Obviously, already existing polygamous families remained as such (Mormon leaders could hardly “repudiate” such families living in their midst). And Mormon leaders still allowed Mormons to supposedly marry polygamously “for eternity” in their temples...it was simply, in their minds, colonized to another sphere.
Perhaps THE best link you can find on historical Mormon polygamy is the source of this article:
Polygamy [Everything you might want to possibly know about historical Mormon polygamy] (201 replies)
Sampling of other threads on this topic:
* Mark 12:25 and Marriage in Heaven [Mormonism/Anti-Christian]
* Celestial Marriage & Eternal Exaltation / Redefining Celestial Marriage [Mormonism/Anti-Christian]
* Celestial Marriage: Key to Exaltation [Mormonism/Anti/Chistian]
* Eternal Marriage/Eternal Progression [Mormonism/Anti-Christian]
* Polygamy: Will You Have to Share Your Husband With Other Women?
* The Pharisee, the Temple and Polygamy [Wanna multiply eternal spouses? If Lds, rituals still occur!]
* Only for Eternity [Mainstream Mormon Ecclesiastical Polygamy...Supposedly Still Practiced!]
* Polygamy and me: Growing up Mormon
* Mormons Teach Polygamy is Divine [one-minute YouTube clip]
If Romney were to be elected, you can guarantee the Mormon questions raised here and more will be raked over the goals for four years, a huge distraction.
#1 What people trust in for their salvation /degree of glory is only part of the matter. The author covers that part toward the end of the above paragraph.
#2 What Jim Denison misses out on within the previous section is Who. Oh, sure he mentions “Jesus Christ” – but fails to recognize that the apostle Paul said there was “another Jesus” (2 Cor. 11:3-4)...that devotion to the true Jesus is something that can fall away. And in Mormonism's case, it has embraced “another Jesus” – a “Jesus who doesn't exist.”
Jesus Himself defined “eternal life” as a true relationship with Him and His True Father: “And this is eternal life: That you know you, the Only True God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” (John 17:3)
It's comparable to you meeting somebody online who claims to be either Elijah or Elisha of the Old Testament (both of these men were taken directly to heaven minus dying). Perhaps they could tell you things about themselves similar to these men; but identity-wise, if they are not either one, it doesn't matter how close some of those attributes are...they are counterfeits.
If you would like to sort out this question in depth, FR had PLENTY of 2011 discussion on this topic:
* Are Mormons Christian? (652 replies)
* The Christ of Mormonism (Real Mormonism) (393 replies)
* Mormon and Christian (275 replies)
* Fox News anchor says Romney isn't a Christian (224 replies)
* Is Mormonism Christian? (208 replies)
* How do Mormons answer ‘not Christian’ claims? (200 replies)
* ARE MORMONS ANTI-CHRISTIAN? (186 replies)
* Mormons worship a different Jesus (175 replies)
* Mom, Are We Christians? (173 replies)
Latter-day Saints aren't Christians? (162 replies)
* Why Mormonism Can Never Be Part of True Christianity (156 replies)
* A Different God? Mitt Romney, the Religious Right, and the Mormon Question (145 replies)
* If Mormonism is 'anti-Christian,' then how can it be considered 'Christian?' (129 replies)
* A Theologian Weighs In on the Mormon Church (129 replies)
* SHOULD CHRISTIANS ASSENT TO MORMON DEMANDS TO SEE THEM AS CHRISTIANS? [Vanity] (118 replies)
* whom do Mormons worship? (102 replies)
Samplings of other threads on this topic:
* "We're Christians Just Like You!
* Is the LDS View of God Consistent with the Bible? [ANTI-Trinitarian]
* The Biblical Jesus vs. the Book of Mormon Jesus
* Mormonism - Does it follow Jesus Christ? [Mormonism/Anti-Chistian
* Mormon Errors [Mormonism/Anti-Christian]
* Christian, Mormon doctrinal differences
Here were some of the top 2011 discussions of Romney's religion on FR in 2011:
* Mitt Romney is a Mormon and I am a Baptist: Get Over It! (381 replies)
* The new, ugly debate about Mitt Romney's Mormon faith will only push him closer to the nomination [Begun by Ripliangone, 376 replies]
* Tricia Erickson: 'An indoctrinated Mormon should never be elected as President' (353 replies)
* Author: LDS is 'dangerous religion' [Romney article] (336 replies)
* Would You Vote for Someone Just Because They're Mormon? (271 replies)
* Will Romney, Huntsman help or hurt Mormons? (255 replies)
* Why a Candidate's Faith Matters? by robert Jeffress himself (163 replies)
* Can a Mormon presidential candidate win over the Republicans’ evangelical base? (157 replies)
* Why This Evangelical Can't Vote for Mitt Romney (145 replies)
* Mitt Romney Is A Devout Member Of A Historically Racist Church (still a recent enough thread- may bump higher than 141 replies)
* Can a Mormon be president? Two opposing views (104 replies)
* Mitt Romney's Mormonism: A TNR online debate (95 replies)
* A Vote for Romney Is a Vote for the LDS Church: One evangelical explains why he cannot support Mitt (94 replies)
* The Mormon Plan for America and The Rise of Mitt Romney
In this final level of glory, Lds say only MARRIED temple Mormons (15-20% of all Mormons) can live forever with Heavenly Father.
That's it.
That leaves out all singles. Even Mormon singles.
It leaves out even the majority of Mormons!
It "definitely" -- Mormon-doctrine wise, leaves out all non-Mormons.
And Mormons push for "religious tolerance?"
Listen, if the Mormon "heaven" doesn't include God the Father, it ain't heaven!
Lookin down kickin the dirt wondering what to do...
I got it we can vote for a politician 8)
Lookin down kickin the dirt wondering what to do...
I got it we can vote for a politician 8)
“Should Christians vote for a Mormon?”
Christians shouldn’t vote for pro-abort liberals. The only one in the primaries that fits that bill happens to be a mormon.
I am a Christian. My refusal to vote Romney (under ANY circumstances) has NOTHING to do with his religion and EVERYTHING to do with his liberal ideology.
Well....I was curious enough to check this link out.
The word “intercourse” is not used in 4:218 but does claim that the Father is the father and not any other man. Well, Gee! I knew that! The other section 1;15 has nothing to say about Mary.
The the commentary in these sections seems rather tame to me.
Ok...It seems this article is merely a hit piece on Mormonism. I will not bother to finish it.
Haha, I read the header as “Should christians vote for a MORON”. Made me do a double take!
A parishioner asked our priest about this at a recent lecture, and the priest said wryly, (and I’m paraphrasing here, despite the quotes for clarity), “I don’t want to blow our tax-exempt status by specifically endorsing a candidate, but for me the first question has to be, How does the candidate stand on the question of abortion? Because if he supports abortion, this takes away all our rights. You don’t have any political or economic freedom if you are the victim of a state-sanctioned killing before you’re old enough to own your first pair of sneakers. If a candidate won’t protect the smallest and weakest of its citizens, guaranteeing us life and liberty, he won’t protect any of our rights.”
I think everybody is missing the point when it comes to voting for a Mormon if you are a Christian. Mormon’s may claim to be Christians. It is certainly their right to do so. However, that does not mean that Christians (by that I mean people generally identified as Christians - i.e. protestants and catholics) have to accept them into the fold. I for one don’t believe that Mormons are Christians.
At this point I’m usually met with the “there is no religious test for public office” argument. That is correct. There is no constitutional religious requirement. Any Mormon has the right to run for president. However, as a voter I can have any “test” I want. Some people have the “abortion test” others the “defense test” and still others the “help the poor test.” None of these are constitutional requirements either.
I have the “Christian test.” The first thing I want to know about a candidate is he/she a Christian. If they are I move on to the other “tests” I have. If the answer is no I rule that candidate out and start looking for another candidate. The reason I have a “Christian test” is that when things are tough and big decisions are looming ahead. I want my president to get on his knees and pray. And when he prays I want to know there is someone on the other end listening. If they aren’t a Christian its my belief no one is there.
Many of you will deride me for this position. Thats fine. You are entitled to you opinion. But lets let history be our judge. For over 200 years we have been largely led by men who turned to Christ for guidance. As a result we have been the most prosperous nation ever. In recent years our leaders have fallen away from our Christian heritage. Look where were at now. Still great but definitely faltering. Now some of you want to help elect a man who while moral, decent and upstanding isn’t a Christian. Who will he turn to for guidance?
If Romney wins the nomination, then one of the politically necessary functions for a majority of conservative commentators, radio hosts, writers, and even Christian religious leaders, will be to overcome Christian America’s aversion and resistance to Mormonism.
Bishop Romney and his religion knows that his candidacy will force a mass of new justifications and rationalizations for the mainstreaming of Mormonism, and that those will come from a vast new source of non-Mormon conservative opinion makers and leaders, supplying an ocean of new, creative and eloquent arguments written from the inside of conservatism and Christianity itself to get us to vote for Romney instead of using our faith based wisdom and knowledge that serves true conservatism so well.
I’d vote for a conservative ring-tailed lemur at this point if it ran against Obama.
I’d even vote for a conservtive Mormon.
Romney is the White Obama.
I won’t be voting for him.
No.