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To: rzman21
That might be liberal Protestant teaching, but when it comes to Catholics leaving for Protestantism that’s a different story.

Quite frankly I see no point in believing anything you've said. You repeatedly state that your comments aren't directed at all Protestants, then proceed to bash all protestants. You're dishonest and I doubt the Catholic church teaches taqqiya.
82 posted on 12/28/2011 7:29:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: cripplecreek

You’re dishonest and I doubt the Catholic church teaches taqqiya.

>>Give me a break. The only apostates are those Catholics who leave, according to Canon Law. Protestants who are born that way as I was are simply “invincibly ignorant” according to Catholic teaching. That means “Let God be the judge.”

A Catholic who culpably leaves the Catholic Church loses his/her salvation.

Vatican II’s document Lumen Gentium teaches:
14. This holy Council first of all turns its attention to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself on scripture and tradition, it teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk. 16:16; Jn. 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain in it.
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/v3.html

If you take my restating Catholic doctrine that refusal to belong to the Catholic Church is dishonest, then that is your problem.

Vatican II’s decree on Religious Liberty states:
This Vatican Council likewise professes its belief that it is upon the human conscience that these obligations fall and exert their binding force. The truth cannot impose itself except by virtue of its own truth, as it makes its entrance into the mind at once quietly and with power.

Religious freedom, in turn, which men demand as necessary to fulfill their duty to worship God, has to do with immunity from coercion in civil society. Therefore it leaves untouched traditional Catholic doctrine on the moral duty of men and societies toward the true religion and toward the one Church of Christ.

Vatican II’s Decree on Ecumenism states;
“11. The way and method in which the Catholic faith is expressed should never become an obstacle to dialogue with our brethren. It is, of course, essential that the doctrine should be clearly presented in its entirety. Nothing is so foreign to the spirit of ecumenism as a false irenicism, in which the purity of Catholic doctrine suffers loss and its genuine and certain meaning is clouded.”


92 posted on 12/28/2011 7:42:08 PM PST by rzman21
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