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To: MarkBsnr
I have seen that argument used with many preachers, pastors, Caliphs and Imams of the past. They were considered very devout because they had no personal property. But they had plenty of transportation, as did JPII, they had no shortage of clothing, neither did JPII, they never went hungry, neither did JPII, and they always had a real nice place to live or sleep, just as JPII. Mohammad was especially devout since he eschewed personal property also, but his disciples, just as JPIIs followers, made sure he did not do without anything. And JPII never did without anything either. The richest “poor man” who ever lived, but had access to anything from the Catholic Church his heart desired. Homes, food, clothing, and servants to fill his every need or desire.
292 posted on 12/29/2011 3:41:10 PM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: wbarmy
I have seen that argument used with many preachers, pastors, Caliphs and Imams of the past. They were considered very devout because they had no personal property.

I am not claiming the status of his holiness by pointing out the fact that the Pope does not have wealth and that the entire estate of JPII was made public.

My entire point was that the success (to the extent it did, considering the legacy of it) was tied to the personal success of its early founders. Regardless of the contents of the 95 Theses, the results of the Reformation were in that the three normally considered the founders wound up realizing more than their dreams (wealth and/0r power). The German princes who provided the muscle did so for political and financial gain. Henry VIII sacked churches, monasteries and other holy places, as well as jutifying to himself that divorce (or spousal murder) was just A-ok.

We may think of the founders as the first preachers of the prosperity Gospel.

But they had plenty of transportation, as did JPII, they had no shortage of clothing, neither did JPII, they never went hungry, neither did JPII, and they always had a real nice place to live or sleep, just as JPII. Mohammad was especially devout since he eschewed personal property also, but his disciples, just as JPIIs followers, made sure he did not do without anything. And JPII never did without anything either. The richest “poor man” who ever lived, but had access to anything from the Catholic Church his heart desired. Homes, food, clothing, and servants to fill his every need or desire.

You might wish to take in a documentary on one of the recent Popes, with camera footage and schedule. You may at least consider changing your mind about things.

308 posted on 12/30/2011 9:21:30 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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