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To: RnMomof7; narses
"There was no priests in the new church, it was about 300 AD before the first priesthood appeared.

Oh, so Scriptures were conveniently altered to go along with what was happening around 300AD?

Hebrews 13:17 Obey your prelates and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls: that they may do this with joy and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you.

So are you saying those portions of Hebrews that clearly contridict your fantasy intepretation of Scriptues are lies or just errors? Or, is it that those who apply The Lego Block Method of Scripture Interpretation think they can pick any verses from anywhere and then stick them together to mean whatever they like the same way Humpty Dumpty said words mean exactly what he wanted them to mean?

The folks who love to make up their own religion by stringing verses together to mean whatever they like always ignore the very simple, very clear, Scripture. Like the portion of Jude that warns against the heresy of "the priesthood of all believers" and clearly identifies it as something those of us under the New Covenant need avoid:

Jude 1:10 But these men blaspheme whatever things they know not: and what things soever they naturally know, like dumb beasts, in these they are corrupted.
Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! For they have gone in the way of Cain: and after the error of Balaam they have for reward poured out themselves and have perished in the contradiction of Core.

Everyone realizes that whatever turns them on is exactly what the "Proddy" folks find in the Scriptures which is why "Proddy" fantasy based responses more often than not begin with, "that's what the Scriptures say, but that's not what they mean". Explaining that what the Scriptures say isn't what they really mean is about seven eighths of what the "Proddy" crowd calls "interpretation" and "apologetics". Just like the Mormons and JW crowd, the anti-Catholic crowd, the queer marrying and queer ordaining "Christian" churches, and the abortion excusing "forgiven before it even happened" crowd, all pretend to cloak themselves in Scriptures by reinterpreting and twisting Scriptures to suit their own personal preferences. To such folks, Scriptures are just a string of pearls to play with in their hog wallow.

Those who claim to be Christian but who are really first and foremost anti-Catholic always give away their real beliefs by denying the power of Christ. They deny Him by denying that He delegated authority to the Apostles, built His Church on the Apostles, and protected His Church for the two thousand years since He founded it, even though that's exactly what Christ Himself said He would do. Those who deny that Christ did what He said He would do are not Christians even if they’ve been brainwashed into thinking they’re following Christ. That’s why it will be so sad when such folks are told, “I never knew you”. They will have spent their lives always learning but never coming to knowledge of the Truth.

515 posted on 01/01/2012 1:27:15 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: Rashputin; RnMomof7; metmom; smvoice; boatbums
>> Hebrews 13:17 Obey your prelates and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls: that they may do this with joy and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you.<<

It doesn’t take much study to find that “prelates” does not mean “priest”. Not unless you work backwards from the CC that is. Every word that is used in scripture for leadership in the church indicates and elder (older) person in the group.

>>Like the portion of Jude that warns against the heresy of "the priesthood of all believers" and clearly identifies it as something those of us under the New Covenant need avoid:<<

Oh now that’s funny. Use Jude against non Catholics? Are you kidding? The first chapter of Jude is talking about groups that were once faithful who were corrupted. That would fit the CC more than any other group. Look at verses 10 and 11.

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. 11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Then look at the number of symbols and rituals the CC uses that were symbols of Baal. Then look at verse 16.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

Which group has the “mouth speaking great swelling word” and “having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage”? That sounds like the CC Priests to me.

542 posted on 01/01/2012 2:19:52 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Rashputin; CynicalBear
Like the portion of Jude that warns against the heresy of "the priesthood of all believers" and clearly identifies it as something those of us under the New Covenant need avoid

Why do you keep repeating this same argument and NEVER address the verses from St. Peter's epistle where the idea of the "priesthood of all believers" COMES FROM??? For you memory they are:

I Peter 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

I Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Will you at least once address what Peter meant under inspiration of the Holy Spirit if not the priesthood of ALL believers? Like I have said numerous times already, nobody would be talking about it if it wasn't taught in Scripture. It seems your problem is with God, NOT "Proddys".

574 posted on 01/01/2012 7:53:52 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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To: Rashputin; RnMomof7; CynicalBear
The folks who love to make up their own religion by stringing verses together to mean whatever they like always ignore the very simple, very clear, Scripture. Like the portion of Jude that warns against the heresy of "the priesthood of all believers" and clearly identifies it as something those of us under the New Covenant need avoid:

Jude 1:10 But these men blaspheme whatever things they know not: and what things soever they naturally know, like dumb beasts, in these they are corrupted. Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! For they have gone in the way of Cain: and after the error of Balaam they have for reward poured out themselves and have perished in the contradiction of Core.

Are you saying that these verse you post speak against the heresy of "the priesthood of all believers"???

And just how do you get that out of those verses? They say NOTHING about the priesthood of the believer.

580 posted on 01/01/2012 8:17:40 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Rashputin; metmom
Hebrews 13:17 Obey your prelates and be subject to them. For they watch as being to render an account of your souls: that they may do this with joy and not with grief. For this is not expedient for you.

The word you translate "prelates" does not mean PRIEST..(one that offers sacrifices)The greek word is

hēgeomai

1) to lead a) to go before
b) to be a leader
1) to rule, command
2) to have authority over
3) a prince, of regal power, governor, viceroy, chief, leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers or leaders of the churches
4) used of any kind of leader, chief, commander
5) the leader in speech, chief, spokesman
2) to consider, deem, account, think

Nothing there about sacrifices..nothing there that indicates a priesthood.. BECAUSE there was NO PRIESTHOOD in the NT church

I have given you the greek text.. I have not argued scripture.. The Holy Spirit knows greek..if he wanted to tell the church it was to have a priest He would have said it..

Elders are leaders.. not priests..the scripture you tried to proof text with says not one word about priests

Youngs LITERAL Translation reads

Hbr 13:17Be obedient to those leading you, and be subject, for these do watch for your souls, as about to give account, that with joy they may do this, and not sighing, for this [is] unprofitable to you.

The only way Rome can justify the priesthood in the NT church is by twisting language to make words say what they do not

There was no priesthood in the NT church because the priesthood was a type of Christ.. He was both the lamb and the priest on that cross .. offering himself ... and then God destroyed the priesthood only to have Rome bring it back ...

13:17 Πείθεσθε τοῖς ἡγουμένοις ὑμῶν καὶ ὑπείκετε αὐτοὶ γὰρ ἀγρυπνοῦσιν ὑπὲρ τῶν ψυχῶν ὑμῶν ὡς λόγον ἀποδώσοντες ἵνα μετὰ χαρᾶς τοῦτο ποιῶσιν καὶ μὴ στενάζοντες ἀλυσιτελὲς γὰρ ὑμῖν τοῦτο...Look it up

590 posted on 01/01/2012 10:37:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
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