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To: RnMomof7

Yep, a new, modern made up idea. ALL of the Apostolic Churches, those in union with Rome and those not have a Sacramental Priesthood. The Copts, the Orthodox, even the Malabar Catholic Church founded by the Apostle Thomas. Even after most of a thousand year separation they held to the faith and the Apostolic traditions.

That you and a small splintered group disagree (and yes splintered, unable to agree on baptism, on what day the Sabbath is, on whether Christmas is pagan or holy) is of little moment. The facts are that you represent a modernist and small faction that is without substance or standing.

In fact, many of you here are even unwilling to be honest about what sect of the protestant heresies you adhere to, in fear that your divisions will become all too clear. Thus you end up allied with the UFO types, the LDS types, the folks who deny the Trinity, even those who deny the Divinity of Christ. An odd coalition, held together apparently only by a common antipathy to the Catholic faith, an antipathy all to often soaking in falsehoods, bigotry and anger.

You might try being honest about what your faith traditions are and you might embrace the very Christian ideas of honesty, charity and humility. I hope you do.


506 posted on 12/31/2011 10:15:32 PM PST by narses
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To: narses

The greek word for elder is different than the greek words for priest.. archiereus which translates into “High Priest” and hiereus which translates one that OFFERS SACRIFICES.

The role of the priesthood in scripture was to offer sacrifices.. That is what a priest does in scripture.. God set aside one tribe to be priests, they were not granted any land as God was their inheritance .

The greek have a couple words for priest

hiereus

1) a priest, one who offers sacrifices and in general in busied with sacred rites
a) referring to priests of Gentiles or the Jews,
2) metaph. of Christians, because, purified by the blood of Christ and brought into close intercourse with God, they devote their life to him alone and to Christ

and archiereus

Outline of Biblical Usage
1) chief priest, high priest
2) the high priests, these comprise in addition to one holding the high priestly office, both those who had previously discharged it and although disposed, continued to have great power in the State, as well as the members of the families from which high priest were created, provided that they had much influence in public affairs.
3) Used of Christ because by undergoing a bloody death he offered himself as an expiatory sacrifice to God, and has entered into the heavenly sanctuary where he continually intercedes on our behalf.

Neither role is given in scripture for the new church ..

Christ fulfilled the role of Priest on the cross.. there is no more sacrifice for sin

He is now our High Priest..

The word for elder is presbyteros here is the GREEK definition
1) elder, of age,
a) the elder of two people
b) advanced in life, an elder, a senior
1) forefathers
2) a term of rank or office
a) among the Jews
1) members of the great council or Sanhedrin (because in early times the rulers of the people, judges, etc., were selected from elderly men)
2) of those who in separate cities managed public affairs and administered justice
b) among the Christians, those who presided over the assemblies (or churches) The NT uses the term bishop, elders, and presbyters interchangeably
c) the twenty four members of the heavenly Sanhedrin or court seated on thrones around the throne of God

Now the Holy Spirit knows the difference in the greek words.. there is no priesthood provided for in the NT church.

There was no priests in the new church, it was about 300 AD before the first priesthood appeared..

The Jewish priesthood was a type of Christ fulfilled at the cross.. As if to punctuate that the Jewish priesthood was destroyed by God in 70 AD..there was no longer a need for the type..or as Hebrews puts it

Hbr 4:14 ¶ Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession.

Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.


508 posted on 12/31/2011 10:28:22 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: narses
The facts are that you represent a modernist and small faction that is without substance or standing......In fact, many of you here are even unwilling to be honest about what sect of the protestant heresies you adhere to,.... in fear that your divisions will become all too clear

Thus you end up allied with the UFO types, the LDS types, the folks who deny the Trinity, even those who deny the Divinity of Christ.

An odd coalition, held together apparently only by a common antipathy to the Catholic faith, an antipathy all to often soaking in falsehoods, bigotry and anger.

WoW!.....What a contorted, twisted, manipulated, and completely tangled mess of false statements that is...and this without having a clue what the denominations or churches the posters belong to...

Let me just say this again as a reminder for your future posts which might be created, next time you think you need to preach to the masses, might be a good idea to consider how your coming off to others:

Once pride/arrogance or hautyness starts to manifest into an individuals actions or behaviors, then their judgment will start to cloud..... And once their sense of proper judgment starts to cloud up, they will no longer be able to separate truth from error....... The only truth they will be able to see is what they perceive the truth to be, not what God’s real truth is, or what anyone else may try and tell them what is right.

512 posted on 01/01/2012 12:09:27 AM PST by caww
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