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To: Mrs. Don-o
>> What part of that don't you accept? You seem to be inadvertently misinterpreting statements you don't quite understand.<<

“Don’t quite understand”? How about we compare the prayer of the Pope to scripture.

I’ll use just the bolded excerpts from the prayer.

we cast ourselves into your arms

1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. (When did we need to replace God with Mary?)

confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.

Hebrews 4:15-16 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (once again Catholics replacing Christ with Mary)

O crystal fountain of faith

Romans 12:3 according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. or "a measure of faith." (but Mary is the “fountain of faith” for Catholics)

Lily of all holiness

1 Samuel 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. (for Catholics however, “all holiness” is given to Mary)

Conqueress of evil and death

Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. (but Catholics claim it was Mary who conquered death)

Convert the wicked

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; (Catholics have even replaced the Holy Spirit with Mary)

Statement by catholic Bishop Liqouri “.......We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus.....” She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help”

Need I go on? Catholics have replaced virtually every attribute and working of God and given that to Mary in their worship.

163 posted on 12/28/2011 5:16:23 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

164 posted on 12/28/2011 5:19:04 PM PST by narses
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To: CynicalBear
I think I see the source of this misunderstanding: in every example you are taking as primary and absolute what we all know to be secondary and contingent.

The Lord Jesus, who is God and Man,accomplishes all by His divine power. As for all the rest of us, including Mary and all the angels and saints (all of whom are alive in Christ, for as He said, "the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob is not the God of the dead, but of the living"), we "do" or "act" or "accomplish" only in a completely dependent and derivative form. The prayer of Jesus makes Christian prayer an efficacious petition. He is its model, he prays in us and with us.

"The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." — James 5:16

In other words: we intercede. Angels intercede. Mary intercedes. Members of the Church intercede. Fellow FReepers intercede. That is all.

If one were to ignore this truth, then all praise of a creature would be idolatrous (even calling anyone "just" --- Noah, Joseph, John the Baptist, Stephen and others care called "just" --- would be idolatrous) and intercessory prayer would be idolatrous.

But in the light of this truth-- the absolute excellence of God and the secondary, contingent nature of everything that is not-God---- all levels of the excellence of "just men" and "blessed women," are seen int he light of their dependence on God. All levels of purity or holiness or beauty or power or excellence, and all sorts of intercession are willed by Him, find their source in Him, find their fulfillment in Him, and glorify Him.

That's the key, and I think that's what's not understood.

Any praises of Mary are meant in the same sense that the Archangel Gabriel said, "you are full of grace, the Lord is with you" and Mary said "all generations will call me blessed" Why? Only because "He who has mighty has done great things" for His lowly handmaid.

278 posted on 12/29/2011 8:09:10 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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