Posted on 12/24/2011 8:59:19 AM PST by Saundra Duffy
“I have nothing against individual Mormons and wish them the very best. As to earthly politics, I gratefully accept their support where ever they happen to agree with our conservative causes. It’s to our mutual benefit.”
In other words, so long as we agree with you and kiss your ring, we are your friends. But as soon as we disagree with you, we become your enemy. Can’t you see what’s wrong with that picture? Friends like this are not friends indeed.
According to your own edicts, eventually you will have no one left here on FR except the yes men and a bunch of brown-nosers.
According to your own edicts, eventually you will have no one left here on FR except the yes men and a bunch of brown-nosers.
Brown nosers and yes men? Sounds like Romney supporters to me.
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Here's your prize, come back when you can admit the truth about mormonism.
Sandy, because you haven’t gotten your way you are not resorting to insulting our host?
NOTE TO ALL: This is actually a very Mormon pattern of behavior that we have seen a lot of lately, sadly...
1) Tell people all about how wonderful the Mormon church (notice CHURCH not Christ) is.
2) Spoon feed them spiritual milk and deny or change the subject or refuse to answer questions about LDS ‘meat’ doctrines. Dodging questions hoping they will go away is SOP.
3) If they start to get uncomfortable, they ‘bear their testimony’ using words that sound Christian but have different meanings (and yes they know LDS have their own meanings).
4) If challenged further, they start attacking those who speak out against them, leveling all kinds of charges (couldn’t live the gospel, didn’t want to tithe, in it for money, lying, bigotry, hatred, wanting to bring back the inquisition, wanting to kill them).
5) If that goes nowhere, they play the ‘victim card’ and go on about how they are hated and persecuted and there is a history of that in Mormonism, and it just proves Mormonism is ‘true’...
6) Finally, they get angry, pick up their toys, and go home (like GMR). They still haven’t answered the questions or dealt with the issues, they just claim to be offended and shut down rather than really try to work through the issues with Mormonism.
Now, if somewhere along those lines (which happens all the time) you can pique the Mormon’s interest, get them to question it themselves, or why they don’t have a good answer to the question, then over half the battle is won.
Sandy, Resty, GMR, we don’t hate you, we love you enough to want better for you that what Mormonism can give.
The sign on the door says Free Republic is a God, Country, Family, Life & Liberty site. And we seek to attract like-minded individuals. Those who campaign against us on our deeply-held traditional Christian conservative views are not like-minded and therefore not welcome.
“God” referring to the one true Judeo-Christian God of the bible.
You are not my enemy. But those who wish to preach some other gospel other than the true Word of God as recorded in the KJV Christian bible will not be allowed to do so UNCHALLENGED on FR. I will not forbid our Christian members from challenging the words of Joseph Smith & Co.
Thus no LDS caucus protection. That’s just the way it is. Take it or leave it.
Sandy; if you want to continue to try this trick; where you post a thread yourself; then you must NOT try to make it a caucus.
THEN you can have it pulled.
Am I right, RM???
AWwww...
Is THAT any way to say that you WILL NOT answer those questions that are driving you nuts?
Accept or Reject?
ACCEPT or REJECT??
AccepT or RejecT???
Ca-Ching!
Yes.
As does this one still active: Vanity: Beware of False Prophets, False Prophecy
On post #599, I point to the common Lds patterns to seek control of...
...identity designations
...content published [this is the spirit of the Nauvoo Expositor still alive today]
...perceptions
The Mormon marketing approach goes well beyond what is "acceptable" perceptions-wise -- which is to attempt to influence others' image of the Lds Church. It tries to control it.
Reaganaut's 6-point outline in post #145 is helpful:
1) Tell people all about how wonderful the Mormon church (notice CHURCH not Christ) is.
2) Spoon feed them spiritual milk and deny or change the subject or refuse to answer questions about LDS ‘meat’ doctrines. Dodging questions hoping they will go away is SOP.
3) If they start to get uncomfortable, they ‘bear their testimony’ using words that sound Christian but have different meanings (and yes they know LDS have their own meanings).
4) If challenged further, they start attacking those who speak out against them, leveling all kinds of charges (couldn’t live the gospel, didn’t want to tithe, in it for money, lying, bigotry, hatred, wanting to bring back the inquisition, wanting to kill them).
5) If that goes nowhere, they play the ‘victim card’ and go on about how they are hated and persecuted and there is a history of that in Mormonism, and it just proves Mormonism is ‘true’...
6) Finally, they get angry, pick up their toys, and go home (like GMR). They still haven’t answered the questions or dealt with the issues, they just claim to be offended and shut down rather than really try to work through the issues with Mormonism.
My "addendum" thus would be:
a) "Joe Mormon" seeks to control identity designations. "Joe" is the new Christian on the universal block. You? You Protestant...You Catholic...You Orthodox...Why you are an unfaithful apostate...corrupt at that...A member of the "church of the devil"...and embracer of 100% abominable creeds. If you challenge these designations as "lies," #6 from Reaganaut's list kicks in.
b) "Joe Mormon" seeks to control content. It's not enough that he or she has free expression; nope. Web site producers like Jim Robinson isn't allowed to have that freedom or freedom of expression.
c) "Joe Mormon" seeks to control others' perceptions. The way their P.R. specialists try to do this is by stereotyping non-Mormons as having stereotypes.
They seemingly fail to ask: What if these assessments of Mormons by non-Mormons...what if they are indeed true, after all?
tttb
Sandy, is it that your Mormon victim card requires you to ride the lightening in order for you to feel fulfilled? This is becoming an interesting thread just to see how far Jim will let you hang yourself before you ride the lightening! Do you really believe you’re a good representation of what it means to be LDS?
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Speaking from my experience as a Mormon, that is part of it. There is a feeling that if someone doesn’t accept Mormonism is valid, then they don’t accept YOU. It becomes personal.
We see it often, that if you speak against Mormon theology or history, you are accused of hating or attacking individual Mormons. There is such identity with Mormonism that the individual often gets lost.
Because of this strong group identification, there is a tendency to either dismiss as not valid those who don’t speak of Mormonism in glowing terms, or to push them, hoping they will give up, go away or in this case, banish you (via zot). Mormons automatically turn this around to convince themselves that because they are ‘hated’ (or zotted) that it MUST be because the person hates Mormons individually and that “PROVES” (reinforces their view) that Mormonism is the ‘one true church’.
This martyr complex is part of the constant brainwashing that goes on in Mormonism. The members are told constantly that they will be persecuted, hated, and despised because only they have the ‘true gospel’ of Mormonism. So, by pushing people (like Sandy is trying to do with JR) into something like a zot, will only serve to reinforce her Mormon faith.
Sandy has shown her allegiance to the conservative movement in the past, however this time she is vocal about supporting Mitt Romney. This is identity politics and very common in Mormonism especially. It also gets back to what I said above about Mormon group identity and an inability to separate Mormonism from the individual. Sandy (and others) assume we hate Mitt Romney BECAUSE he is Mormon, possibly because that is the reason she supports him. It is difficult for Mormons to separate Mormonism and the individual, thus the accusation that JR is a ‘fair weather friend’.
I’m pretty sure Sandy cannot separate politics from religious identity either. If you hate Mitt, you must hate him because he is Mormon...so you (in the Mormon mindset) are not be able to support Mormons as conservatives while not considering them Christians. In Mormonism, it is all one thing.
To answer your question, MHG, yes...in my experience as a Mormon it would be considered a good representation what it means to be LDS because they believe that if they are ‘persecuted’ (even if it is because of their own doing - just like Joseph Smith), then they are only being ‘persecuted’ because they are faithful Mormons. Zotting Sandy would be a badge of honor for her, a way of her being able to say she was right about her accusations. For that reason alone, I hope JR lets her stay. Don’t feed the Beast (Mormonism).
We'll have to wait until after the elections for Romney and Paul supporters to come back to their senses......
But until then, Sandy has a choice to make. Either search out the truth, reading the bible from cover to cover and compare that to the book of Mormon, look up historical facts away from the LDS to see if the pro-christians are right or keep her head buried in the clouds and hold tight to her mormon social community, hoping their right.
I just hope she values her soul more than being in a social click.
You are right Elsie. It’s not like she hasn’t been exposed to the truth.
Saundra, for you...
“In other words, so long as we agree with you and kiss your ring, we are your friends.”
What a load of extreme straw man argumentation!
“But as soon as we disagree with you, we become your enemy.”
You can believe whatever you want about mormonism. Jim has stated you can’t promote it here and tear down Christianity. Really, you have transformed your posts into a pile of whining victimization. Why do you even want to be on a conservative website, Saundra? Is it just to promote Willard?
“Can’t you see what’s wrong with that picture?”
Anyone can see what is wrong with your straw-man argument - expect, apparently you.
“Friends like this are not friends indeed.”
Indeed, you are no friend, except a good weather friend when everything is going your way... based on your whining.
One might ask, why?
Most amazing melt down I’ve witnessed here so far. Pull yourself back from the edge Sandra. Man up.
We may choose to leave a thread active no matter the history of it.
Religious wars. Same ole thang. For an exciting change, I’d like to see something different, say, Apple Mac Believers vs the Presbytarians, or Android Faithful vs the Scientologists, you get my drift?
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