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To: CynicalBear
No one gets saved by simply belonging to a group.

No, the Church doesn't teach this either. But we can, and must, help each other, and what we do, good or bad, affects others, those we love and who love us most of all. Church is about being connect to each other in Christ, not disconnected individuals.

It most certainly is about the individual.

Church is about the individual? Sorry that seems oxymoronic to me. A church all about the individual is like a family all about an individual. It's no longer a family.

I don't see Christ's ministry as being all about the individual either:

Jesus said to him, “‘you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’"

Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

This is why the scene "That's all I need" came to mind. What the character is saying here is "I don't need anybody else." All the while, he knows it is not true.

It's not Our Savior's Truth; it's not true for us as individuals; it's not true for His Church.

Thanks for your courteous reply.

66 posted on 12/21/2011 11:28:54 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
If you don’t first take care of yourself you can take care of no on. It says “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” That looks to me like you first must love yourself or how would you know how to love your neighbor?

“you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 'This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it;

I wonder why He started that with the word “you”? Could that be a personal “you” talking about the individual?

>>What the character is saying here is "I don't need anybody else."<<

Would you please find in any of my posts where I stated that? Surely you aren’t projecting that into what I am saying are you?

68 posted on 12/21/2011 11:44:40 AM PST by CynicalBear
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