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To: RnMomof7

No where in scripture does it tell you good works save you..it does say that our good works are the FRUIT of our salvation..they are the work of God IN US AND THROUGH US
>>That’s what Catholics believe.

We are not saved yet. Salvation is yet to come. Did you read what Dr. Marshner wrote?

Catholics distinguish between justification and sanctification. We really are not that far apart. We are just using different terminology.


76 posted on 12/12/2011 3:11:19 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21
We are not saved yet. Salvation is yet to come. Did you read what Dr. Marshner wrote?

I am saved now.. I am sorry that you and other Catholics do not have that assurance

As I said Catholics do not know until it is too late to change anything ...

I distinguish between justification and sanctification.. they are 2 different things.. I am saved and I am being sanctified as I grow in Christ ..that will not be complete until I am glorified ...

The difference is very clear cut..I share not one bit of Catholic soteriology ..NO WE ARE NOT CLOSE

83 posted on 12/12/2011 3:23:54 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: rzman21; RnMomof7
We are not saved yet. Salvation is yet to come. Did you read what Dr. Marshner wrote?

We are saved NOW. did you read what God wrote?

Ephesians 1:7-14 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Colossians 1:11-14 11 May you be strengthened with all power, according to his glorious might, for all endurance and patience with joy, 12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in light. 13He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

And if Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit is not good enough for you, Jesus has this to say.....

John 3:16-18 16"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 5:24 24Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

John 10:24-30 24So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." 25Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not part of my flock. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one."

134 posted on 12/12/2011 7:55:20 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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