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To: HarleyD

They were sinless..they did not need to have their eyes opened ..they were open until the fall..and the bondage of the will what was the serpents lie? You shall be as god.. that is an appeal that targets mans pride.. remember that is what also caused the fall of Lucifer

PROVERBS 16:18-19 NKJ
18 Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
19 Better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.

Calvin notes this

“Augustine, indeed, is not far from the mark, when he says (in Psalm 19), that pride was the beginning of all evil, because, had not man’s ambition carried him higher than he was permitted, he might have continued in his first estate.”

http://www.calvin500.com/what-caused-the-fall-of-adam/


248 posted on 12/16/2011 7:35:33 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
They were sinless..they did not need to have their eyes opened ..they were open until the fall

> I know I'm out on a heretical limb on this one. There is not one shred of fatherly history to support me. I would argue that their eyes were not opened to the truth and I would point to Eve's confusion as evidence to this fact. Eve's was deceived into sinning. Adam sinned willfully but it wasn't pride that led him to sin. There was failure to seek out God for a remedy for Eve's disobedience.

Pro 11:2 When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with the humble is wisdom.

This is an odd way of putting it (who am I to critique God's writing) but pride comes from lacking wisdom.

Now you can take this for what it's worth, an opinion. There something that troubles me to think that I have a different view on this then every single brilliant church theologian. :O)

252 posted on 12/17/2011 2:30:36 PM PST by HarleyD ("...what presumption, to prefer human tradition to divine ordinance"-Cyprian)
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