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To: metmom

Neither can u prove that he was saved by his faith only. You know nothing about the thief and neither do I. He may of been baptized by John the Baptitst, we just don’t know. He may have been baptized by one of John’s followers, we just don’t know.

I can’t make assumptions about the thief and neither can u. We only know what the Bible teaches.

James 2:24
You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.


208 posted on 12/14/2011 2:57:08 PM PST by swampfox101 (I)
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To: swampfox101
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Galatians 2:15-16 15We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Galatians 2:20-21 20I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Galatians 3:10-14 10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." 12But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"— 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:19 19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.

Galatians 3:24-26 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

The view of keeping the Ten Commandments as a means of salvation displays a profound ignorance of the purpose of the Law. The Law is to point to Christ, to show us our need for Him and His redemption.

It was never intended to be used to earn salvation, but to show us our need for Jesus by showing us that we can't meet God's standards.

It was put in charge to lead us to Christ.

Anyone who depends on the Law for righteousness is under a curse. Keeping the Ten Commandments does not affect our salvation because our salvation is not dependent on keeping them and the fact that Christ kept them and when we are in Christ, the righteous requirements of the Law have been met for us. When we are clothed with Christ, God sees the righteous requirements fulfilled in us as if WE had done it.

We are not set free to sin as much as we want with no consequence and trample the blood of Christ underfoot. What we are set free from is the penalty of death that is upon everyone who breaks the Law, which ALL men have done.

It's either works OR grace. If it's grace, it's not of works. If works count towards it, it's what's owed us and not grace.

It CANNOT be both.

215 posted on 12/14/2011 5:41:58 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: swampfox101; metmom
He may of been baptized by John the Baptitst, we just don’t know. He may have been baptized by one of John’s followers, we just don’t know.

MAy have????....Here again making statements on "what's NOT there" rather than accepting what is there and believing it for what it says....what you do know.

Again missing the mark of truth of what Jeus did say to the thief......"today" you shall be with me"......He didn't say "once you get baptized I'll accept you."

216 posted on 12/14/2011 5:46:08 PM PST by caww
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