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To: CynicalBear; Iscool; RnMomof7; HarleyD; metmom; HossB86
How interesting. All the vitriol slung our way claiming works are necessary then proclaiming the RCC doesn’t teach that only to be shown from their own Canons that indeed they do.

It gets old to have to have to go over the same old ground and never get to the critical question of "does this belief conflict with Scripture and if so what should we rely on". Thankfully we have the Scriptures in the vernacular and the freedom to discuss what they mean.

165 posted on 12/13/2011 3:18:00 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: wmfights; CynicalBear; metmom; Iscool; Quix; RnMomof7; HossB86
It gets old to have to have to go over the same old ground and never get to the critical question of "does this belief conflict with Scripture and if so what should we rely on". Thankfully we have the Scriptures in the vernacular and the freedom to discuss what they mean.

Boy, does it ever get old! I've been on Free Republic for over five years now and I remember the same exact arguments on the RF back then. It's almost as if some people think they can sneak it past others and nobody will pop up and disagree. I've pretty much seen just about all the sides that can be thought up on this most critical subject of Justification by Faith. But it is either grace or works, Scripture says, not both. If it's grace then it can't be by works because grace would stop being grace. But if it is by works, then you can't bring in grace because then work would not be work. I think Paul - through the Holy Spirit - could not have made it any clearer.

So, now we have a newbie who comes in like gangbusters thinking he's gonna show all us ignorant "Fundies" how an "intellectual" shares the Gospel. I really think some of the Catholics here aren't quite sure what to make of it. Here, in this thread, we even had a Catholic directly contradict what the OP said, denying that they even teach such a thing. All we CAN do is to keep speaking the truth, sharing the truth of God's word and the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus. The Gospel is NOT a difficult thing to understand - even a child grasps its truth. But so many people refuse to accept its simple but powerful truth - that Jesus Christ died to redeem us from our sin and the consequence of eternal death. It HAD to be by grace, because no man is capable of sinlessness nor can anything we do satisfy the wages of sin, which is death. We MUST continue to share this Gospel of grace and not allow the enemy of men's souls to pollute the message.

177 posted on 12/13/2011 9:00:29 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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