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To: rzman21
The Protestant Reformers, however, impatient with metaphysics (secular philosophy), preferred not to cope with such an entity and denied its existence.(5) To them it seemed simpler to say that grace is something wholly in God, namely, His favor towards us. But then, if grace is not something real in man, our “justification” can no longer be conceived as a real change in us; it will have to become a sheer declaration on God’s part, e.g. a declaration that, thanks to the work of Christ, He will henceforth consider us as just, even though we remain inwardly the sinners we always were.

That's exactly what the scriptures teach...Why would Christians mess with secular philosophy???

Now watch what happens to our own act of faith: it ceases to be the foundational act of an interior renewal and becomes a mere requirement, devoid of any salvific power in its own right, which God arbitrarily sets as the condition on which He will declare us just.

Faith is not an act...Faith is NOT an interior renewal...The 'New Birth' is the interior renewal...

It's clear your religion has no idea of what grace nor justification is...

Whereupon, watch what happens to our good works: they cease to be the vital acts wherein an ontologically real “new life” consists and manifests itself; they become mere human responses to divine mercy—nice, but totally irrelevant to our justification—or else they become zombie-like motions produced in us by irresistible divine impulses, whereby God exhibits His glory in His elect.

Now you're just making stuff up...

We must show that St. Paul’s real position is far closer to that of Trent than to that of Luther.

That won't happen in your lifetime, or God's...

150 posted on 12/13/2011 6:45:05 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool

Again, faith and reason both come from God.

It seems that your incarnation of Christianity has more in common with Islam, which rejects human to the point of denying the laws of physics and the role of reason in interpreting the “holy book.”

Evangelicalism rejects reason, mistrusts scientific inquiry, and the role of human reason in understanding divine revelation.

So from that perspective both religions are quite similar.

Faith is not an act...Faith is NOT an interior renewal...The ‘New Birth’ is the interior renewal...
>>Once again, we have the private interpretation of one man. Philosophy always precedes theological assumptions.

That was true of the Jews in the 1st century, and that was true of the Protestant Reformers who reinterpreted the Bible in the light of late medieval nominalism. Protestantism’s understanding of grace has as much to do with philosophy as it does with the Bible.

Anti-Catholicism is the modus operendi of Protestant biblical exegesis. The Church Fathers and the Roman Church teach X, so “Bible believers” need to teach Y.

Faith and reason are inseparable.

The mind of the prudent acquires knowledge, And the ear of the wise seeks knowledge. Proverbs 18:15


151 posted on 12/13/2011 7:51:30 AM PST by rzman21
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