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To: ScottfromNJ
You are jousting with windmills my friend because the scripture verse you cite don't make your case. All you have here is philosophical speculation about what they imply. If justification cannot be lost before death then St. Peter would be dead wrong to suggest that: Therefore, brethren,be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; 11for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you. 2 Peter 1:10 If faith without works assures election and you can't lose that election, then diligence would be meaningless.
129 posted on 12/12/2011 7:21:50 PM PST by rzman21
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To: rzman21

“You are jousting with windmills my friend because the scripture verse you cite don’t make your case.”

Did you even read them? Doubtful. You continue to lack an understanding of the different administrations and as a result, more often than not cite scriptures that don’t pertain to the Grace Administration, and take the ones that do out of context. Suggested start, the book of Acts.

Ephesians 3:2:

Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you.

“Therefore, brethren,be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble”

Again, salvation is not in question here. If we obey God we won’t stumble.

“for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you”

yep, Heavenly rewards.

Research the 5 crowns of righteousness.


141 posted on 12/12/2011 8:57:52 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: rzman21; ScottfromNJ
You are jousting with windmills my friend because the scripture verse you cite don't make your case. All you have here is philosophical speculation about what they imply. If justification cannot be lost before death then St. Peter would be dead wrong to suggest that: Therefore, brethren,be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; 11for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you. 2 Peter 1:10 If faith without works assures election and you can't lose that election, then diligence would be meaningless.

Let me guess, you are adding your superior intellect to the understanding of what Scottfromnj has quoted? If, as you claim, "faith without works assures election and you can't lose that election, then diligence would be meaningless" was actually the point of your snippet from II Peter, then why doesn't that section actually say that? Here is the verse, in context:

1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

2 Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
3 His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. 5 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7 and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. 8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins. 10 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, 11 and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

So, as anyone can clearly see, Peter is not talking about "keeping" our justification through good works in order to BE or STAY saved, but because he HAS saved us and, by walking in faith and adding to our faith goodness, knowledge, self-control, perseverance, godliness, mutual affection and love. Because by developing these qualities "they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ" and we will never stumble. Do God's children ever stumble? Yes, but he will never forsake us or cast us out, he will forgive us, pick us up, brush us off and continue to be with us until we are richly received in eternity. Praises be all to him. All glory is God's, not man's.

172 posted on 12/13/2011 7:55:39 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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