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To: allmendream; Mr. Silverback; metmom; GourmetDan; dartuser; guitarplayer1953; Truthsearcher; ...

“When you start with a bad premise you get bad results.”

Amen, allmendream..... now you’re getting it!!

“All mutations are not harmful. Mutations cause variations.”

Perhaps it would be a good idea for you to check out the work of Dr. Lee Spetner. He’s got a PhD in Physics from MIT and spent 26 years studying evolution before coming out with his book “Not By Chance” in 1996 (a very interesting and informative read, by the way).

By the way..... he ain’t a Creationist..... and he learned what he learned through observation... I believe that’s science, right?

“Here we see the utility of the theory.”

Good choice of words by you here, allmendream..... a theory that is utile enough to adapt to any new piece of observed data isn’t really much of a theory is it? I’d say it’s more like a worldview.

“Your false construction that all mutations are somehow information neutral or negative has no explanation for it, because it is false.”

Again I refer you to Dr. Spetner’s book.

I’ve been following the dance you’ve been doing with Mr. Silverback, GourmetDan, metmom and others. You’ve been mostly dealing in generalities about “science” and “creationists”, etc. I asked some very specific questions in post #82. I’ll paste it in here so you don’t have to go back:

“Based on humans evolving out of a primordial mudpuddle.... a gene magically forming itself out of chemicals that just happened to exist together in the puddle and then gradually evolving to the point that we now have thinking, reasoning beings called humans.... here are a few points to ponder:

Since genes reproduce asexually and animals/humans reproduce sexually.... that means that at some point in time at the exact same place on the planet, two creatures evolved with two separate sets of plumbing that just happened to be perfect for each other.... one having the sperm necessary for life and the other having an egg necessary for life. They also had the ability to inject the sperm into a cavity where the egg existed in order to fertilize it and begin the process of birthing another of the same species... and by the way... the process of fertilization was only the beginning.... the plumbing where the egg evolved is HUGELY complex and necessarily so in order to get that fertilized egg to the point of birth.

Here are a couple of questions:

1. Since Natural Selection IS an observable phenomenon and therefore a fact (and not conjecture)... and we know that Natural Selection will select based on advantage for survival... how did sexual reproduction survive given that observation tells us that asexual reproduction has up to twice as much reproductive success as sexual reproduction? Wouldn’t Natural Selection have selected sexual reproduction out of the process?

2. What are the odds that evolution, a random process, could invent the two complimentary sets of plumbing at the exact same time and the exact same place.... especially given the facts presented above?

3. At what point did chemicals (after all, we started as chemicals) evolve the ability to think?”

I’m going to throw one more on top of it here. Part of that hugely complex system I talked about above is the Placenta, which nourishes the baby while it’s in the womb and provides blood until the baby is born and the baby’s system takes over.

What happens with the Placenta at that point is amazing. It disengages from the mother’s body and is discarded as the “afterbirth”. This process has been described as similar to: “taking a meat cleaver and cutting off the arteries attached to the placenta.”

Yet the mother doesn’t bleed to death.....because those arteries have sphincters at the end that immediately close and shut off the flow of blood.

Here’s my question..... How long did it take evolution to get that right? I mean, if it took millions of years (or even hundreds) for the sphincters to evolve, wouldn’t all the women have bled to death in childbirth.... seems to me that life is over at that point.

Or maybe, just maybe the system was designed to work as it does.

You gots da ball, Allmendream. I’m looking forward to your answers.


254 posted on 12/01/2011 8:20:01 PM PST by schaef21
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Ping to previous post.

And something to go with it....


255 posted on 12/01/2011 8:36:30 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: schaef21

Popcorn’s cooling off a bit. No?


265 posted on 12/02/2011 11:20:27 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: schaef21; allmendream; Truthsearcher; metmom; BrandtMichaels; dartuser; guitarplayer1953; RobbyS; ..

Anybody seen allmendream?..... looks like he took a powder.

This is the 2nd time he’s done that with me. He’ll talk in generalities but when you ask specific questions he goes into the witness protection program.

If you’re out there, allmendream.... still looking for answers on Post #254.


281 posted on 12/06/2011 10:34:36 AM PST by schaef21
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