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To: allmendream
"To you using ANY scientific model to explain ANY data is “begging the question”. Either on the subject of the Earth going around the Sun (it does) or the evolution of living systems through selection of genetic variation (both observable)."

You have no idea whether I would consider ANY scientific model and ANY scientific data as 'begging the question. You seem to be making this a personal issue about me.

"I find it amusing that you place the model of biological evolution on the same level as the model of gravitation that has the Earth in orbit around the Sun."

All I said was that they are both based on the logical fallacies of begging the question and affirming the consequent. You seem extremely confident in your ability to say where I would place both models in terms of some ranking-system that you evidently have in mind.

"Both are very well supported models that help explain and predict data - opposed only by the most ludicrous of loons."

Both are only 'very well supported' in terms of the fallacy of affirming the consequent. You certainly seem intent on making this discussion personally about me.

108 posted on 11/30/2011 11:24:20 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan

No, just ANY loon who would deny that the Earth is in orbit around the Sun. Not any particular loon.

Your constant refrain on any scientific subject - gravity or evolution - is that using the model to explain the data is “begging the question”. You are at least consistent that you think using a scientific model to explain data is some sort of logical fallacy.

But what you call a logical fallacy the rest of the world calls the scientific method - using a model to explain and predict data.


109 posted on 11/30/2011 11:29:02 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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