Paul did not say last trumpet...You can't change scripture to line up with your theology...Then it becomes your theology, not God's...
Salvation was offered to all born since the days of Noah,up to the Crucifixion, and they most certainly were dead first. So there is no surprise that the dead in the flesh would 'rise' first.
Christians have overcome already...We don't wait to the end of the age to find out...
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Actually there are 'two' tribulations, the first takes place before Christ returns at the end of the flesh age. That means that every soul created has fulfilled what Christ told Nicodemus was required to 'see' the kingdom of God. Now Christ did not tell Nicodemus that ALL would enter the kingdom of God, only that as Christ passed through this flesh age born of woman, so would all that would be allowed to see the kingdom of God. Now as it is Written flesh cannot 'see' the Heavenly Father, only in the 'spirit' body. And the final judgment fire of perdition has not yet been 'created' to dispose of those that do not love the Heavenly Father.
Not without scripture, you don't...
Revelation states without question there are 7 trumps.
Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
That puts to rest your theory of one trumpet and 7 trumps of the one trumpet...
The last trump of the trumpet is number 7. Just as there are 7 'churches', surely that does not mean there are 7 church 'ages'? And John that wrote down the words of Revelation was taken in 'spirit' to the LORD's day as to what things will look like on that 'day'. And on that Lord's day there are still 7 churches defined by their various doctrines.
You can't just make this stuff up and expect bible believers to go along with your fantasy...
John was taken ahead to the Lord's Day...The Great Tribulation...And then what??? What did John see???
Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, Rev. 1-3
John is standing there in the Tribulation and is told to write which he has seen in the past, ie., the church age... and the things which are, Rev. 4-19
And then John is told to write the things which are, right now...And againg, John is standing in the Tribulation...
and the things which shall be hereafter; Rev. 19-22
John is then told to tell of the events after the Great Tribulation...
Peter says that 'one' day with the LORD is as a thousand years, so that is going to be a long engagement from the 'first' day of the day of the Lord until the wedding.
Actually, the wedding takes place near the front of the 'day', thousand years...
Here's the major portion of that thousand year period...
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
There's the seventh day, the one thousand year reign of Jesus on Earth...
The deception is NOT having sealed in the mind which 'Jesus' shows up first. Even Paul says that it will not be until the last trump (7th) that the 'real' LORD and Savior returns and upon HIS return ALL flesh will be changed. So if the inhabitants on this earth are still walking around in flesh needing bread and water the 'real' Saviour has not returnedAgain, it is talking about Christians...Christians only...
Again...
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
verse 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;
insomuch that, IF it were possible, they shall deceived the very elect.
It doesn't say it is possible...It says if it were possible...But it is not possible...
NOT one word about starvation/famine for flesh food here, but instead a warning of a religious revival to deceived IF possible the very elect. Why now wouldn't the very elect be Christians? So Christians would still have to be right here on this earth IF they are going to be tempted by a religious revival.
But the Christians won't be deceived...Jesus is pointing out that the evidence will be so strong, that unless you are a Christian you will be deceived...
Who then is going to be here to stand against the fiery darts of the devil that Paul says we are to wearing the whole armour of God? By the way this 'beast' is none other than the 'devil' tossed down to this earth (Revelation 12:12 for those who have no clue who the antiChrist is) being allowed to tempt us just as he tempted Christ as described in the beginning of Christ's ministry.
Apparently, you don't believe as well that the anti Christ is here now...Tempting us as we speak...
Paul did not say last trumpet...You can't change scripture to line up with your theology...Then it becomes your theology, not God's...
For the record as to what Paul did say, so there is no misrepresentation as to the 'subject' of trumpet; trumpets; trumpets; and trump. (Now John uses the word trumpeters in Revelation 18:22 and that is found in the Strong's as the Greek word #4538)
"ICor 15:50 Now this I say , brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold , I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep , but we shall all be changed , 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound , and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed . 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
Trump, trumpet, trumpets, as used in the whole of the new Testament are all the same Greek word #4536.
The word 'trump' is used two times and only by Paul in ICor 15:52 and ITh 4:16. Both places are the Greek word # 4536 assigned by the Strong's.
The word 'trumpet' is used 9 times in the New Testament. ALL are the same Greek word assigned #4536 in the Strong's. Christ used the word two times in Mt 6:2 and Mt 24:31. Paul uses the word 'trumpet' three times found in ICor 14:8, ICor 15:52 and Heb 12:19. John uses the word 'trumpet' 4 times, Rev 1:10, Rev 4:1, Rev 8:13 and Rev 9:14.
Only John uses the word 'trumpets', same Greek #4536 from Strong's and these two are found in Rev 8:2, and Rev 8:6.
What the Greek word assigned the #4536 in the Strong's means: From the Strong's salpizo, from 4535 (through the idea of quavering or reverberation): a trumpet: -trump (-et).
Paul says at the LAST trump 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound , and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed . SO how many 'trump(s)' would there have to be for there to be the LAST trump... and why does Paul say this is pertinent information to 'shew' a mystery. Certainly has nothing to do with a 'get out of Dodge' early ticket.
Salvation was offered to all born since the days of Noah,up to the Crucifixion, and they most certainly were dead first. So there is no surprise that the dead in the flesh would 'rise' first.
Christians have overcome already...We don't wait to the end of the age to find out... 1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Well, no doubt some have 'overcome' as Revelation 15:1-4 the over-comers sing the song of Moses. I have never heard any of the followers of the 'rapture' doctrine even talk about singing this song.
Actually there are 'two' tribulations, the first takes place before Christ returns at the end of the flesh age. That means that every soul created has fulfilled what Christ told Nicodemus was required to 'see' the kingdom of God. Now Christ did not tell Nicodemus that ALL would enter the kingdom of God, only that as Christ passed through this flesh age born of woman, so would all that would be allowed to see the kingdom of God. Now as it is Written flesh cannot 'see' the Heavenly Father, only in the 'spirit' body. And the final judgment fire of perdition has not yet been 'created' to dispose of those that do not love the Heavenly Father.
Not without scripture, you don't...
Well, where to begin?
Revelation states without question there are 7 trumps.
Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. That puts to rest your theory of one trumpet and 7 trumps of the one trumpet...
Ah, 7 angels with 7 trumpets is not in dispute. There are 7 trumps, the 7th trump being the LAST trump wherein Christ returns. This is not a complicated math equation, we know how many 'trumps' and how many 'angels' and we are given in specific each 'trump' and what that quavering or reverberation announces. Actually Christ Himself in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 uses HIS own WORDS to describe the 'events' that are 'appointed' to take place. What Christ says is that the days of Daniel are shortened for the elects sake, but everything that Daniel said was going to take place is still going to take place but in 'quick' time. And Daniel does not hint, suggest, or state for the record the 'church' will 'get out of Dodge' before the 'action' begins.
The last trump of the trumpet is number 7. Just as there are 7 'churches', surely that does not mean there are 7 church 'ages'? And John that wrote down the words of Revelation was taken in 'spirit' to the LORD's day as to what things will look like on that 'day'. And on that Lord's day there are still 7 churches defined by their various doctrines.
You can't just make this stuff up and expect bible believers to go along with your fantasy...
Well time will tell what is fantasy and what is reality.
John was taken ahead to the Lord's Day...The Great Tribulation...And then what??? What did John see??? Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, Rev. 1-3 John is standing there in the Tribulation and is told to write which he has seen in the past, ie., the church age... and the things which are, Rev. 4-19 And then John is told to write the things which are, right now...And againg, John is standing in the Tribulation... and the things which shall be hereafter; Rev. 19-22 John is then told to tell of the events after the Great Tribulation...
John does NOT one time mention the greatest escape since the beginning of this 'age'. Wonder why, since supposedly only Christians pay attention to the New Testament, that John would be told to write down things that were to take place IF there was NOT going to be anybody around that 'believed'.
Peter says that 'one' day with the LORD is as a thousand years, so that is going to be a long engagement from the 'first' day of the day of the Lord until the wedding.
Actually, the wedding takes place near the front of the 'day', thousand years... Here's the major portion of that thousand year period... Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. There's the seventh day, the one thousand year reign of Jesus on Earth...
Yet the temptation or 'tribulation' of all mankind must take place before any wedding invitations are sent.
The deception is NOT having sealed in the mind which 'Jesus' shows up first. Even Paul says that it will not be until the last trump (7th) that the 'real' LORD and Savior returns and upon HIS return ALL flesh will be changed. So if the inhabitants on this earth are still walking around in flesh needing bread and water the 'real' Saviour has not returned
Again, it is talking about Christians...Christians only...
According to John 3:16 only those are considered 'overcomers', Scripture does NOT compartmentalize the MIND and the WORD of the Heavenly Father that sent us this instruction manual.... BUT since He and only HE is the judge as to the minds of all His children, I do NOT spend much time thinking about or talking about WHO has or has not overcome. After all given the state of Christanity as penned by John in regard to the status of those 7 churches on the first 'day' of the LORD's day all but two were warned to change their ways.
Again... Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Paul speaks to what this state of 'dead' is in ICorinthians 15. One can physically be alive in the flesh body but be deader than dead spiritually. AND as we are shown in the parable of Lazarus and the 'rich' man both had returned to the Maker that sent them, Lazarus was seen the the bosom of Abraham, (that would make Abraham alive in spirit and a Christian) while a gulf separated the 'rich' man from the Christian family. Christ said Matthew 10:28 Fear NOT them which kill the body, (flesh) but are not able to kill the 'soul': but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
verse 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF it were possible, they shall deceived the very elect.
It doesn't say it is possible...It says if it were possible...But it is not possible...
The reason it is NOT possible is said because TIME was SHORTENED... Matthew 24:22 AND except those 'days' (of Daniel) should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those 'days' (of Daniel) SHALL be shortened.
NOT one word about starvation/famine for flesh food here, but instead a warning of a religious revival to deceived IF possible the very elect. Why now wouldn't the very elect be Christians? So Christians would still have to be right here on this earth IF they are going to be tempted by a religious revival.
But the Christians won't be deceived...Jesus is pointing out that the evidence will be so strong, that unless you are a Christian you will be deceived...
Ah, Jesus said there would be those who come in His name were deceived and the leaders of selling the deception. The prophets called it sheep trafficking.
Who then is going to be here to stand against the fiery darts of the devil that Paul says we are to wearing the whole armour of God? By the way this 'beast' is none other than the 'devil' tossed down to this earth (Revelation 12:12 for those who have no clue who the antiChrist is) being allowed to tempt us just as he tempted Christ as described in the beginning of Christ's ministry.
Apparently, you don't believe as well that the anti Christ is here now...Tempting us as we speak...
The 'spirit' of against Christ is here thriving and infecting by the hour. BUT big sugar daddy, the old dragon, the serpent, the accuser, the destroyer, and a legion of other roles has NOT yet been tossed down literally on this earth. That takes place according to as it is Written in the 6th 'trump', the 6th 'seal' and the 6th vial.... you know 666????