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To: Quix

“The claim that is attempted in this thread to say that the birth and death of Jesus Christ is the Abomination of Desolation is nothing less than revolting.”

Answer:

Your statement is an obvious strawman. Again,

Your basic argument says that the ‘he’ for verse 27 is the same throughout the entire verse, and since the second half of this verse deals with the ‘overspreading of abominations’, then this must be the ‘antichrist’.

However, such an argument excludes context. If one were to apply that same logic to the previous passage, verse 26, then one would have a conflict, because the first half of the verse is clearly the Messiah, and the second half of the verse is the ‘people of the prince’.

Let’s look at this:

26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah (A) be cut off, but not for himself: ... and .... the people of the prince (B) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

NOTICE THAT THE SUBJECT CHANGES AFTER THE CONJUNCTIVE!!!

27: And he (A) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he (A) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, ... and ... for the overspreading of abominations he (B) shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

LIKEWISE, THE SAME PATTERN IN THIS VERSE!!!

Note that both of these verses, 26 and 27, are CONJUNCTIVE (e.g. two complete sentences, with two different subjects, joined together by the conjunctive ‘and’) in their construct.

So, the first half of the conjunctive deals with the Messiah (A), and the second half of the conjunctive deals with a completely different subject, e.g. the ‘people of the prince’ (B).

Therefore to be consistent, one would expect each verse to resemble an A-B, A-B construct.

Dispensationalism violates this Scriptural pattern by using an A-B, B-B construct!

This is one Scriptural reason why Jesus, not Antichrist, fulfills the 70th Week.

Christian ... Does lying about another’s position really make you feel that good?


288 posted on 11/29/2011 6:20:27 PM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: Iggles Phan

Iggles Phan, it really used to bother me when Quix would post his diatribes against the Church.

But I’m fine now. I just laugh. We will all have to answer to Christ at the end of our lives and I’m thinking that there are some here who will find out that Purgatory is real.

It causes me much amusement. ;-0)


290 posted on 11/29/2011 6:28:58 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (Member of the First Church of Christ, I am Catholic)
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To: Iggles Phan; GiovannaNicoletta
Your basic argument says that the ‘he’ for verse 27 is the same throughout the entire verse, and since the second half of this verse deals with the ‘overspreading of abominations’, then this must be the ‘antichrist’.

IF you really believe that, there REALLY IS NO shred of a hope of any rational discourse with you.

What a perversely idiotic response to my fairly clear post.

Sheesh. INCREDIBLE.

301 posted on 11/29/2011 9:10:14 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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