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To: Cvengr

“If all of these things have happened, then we are post millennial. If they haven’t, then we aren’t there yet.”

Answer:

But that’s not the point here. The question is:

Who fulfills these six purposes that are determined within the 70 Weeks, ... Jesus Christ or Antichrist?

The Dispensationalists force themselves to eliminate Jesus Christ from completing these purposes within the 70 Weeks. Therefore, they are left with Antichrist, which is foolish, absurd, and heretical.


274 posted on 11/29/2011 5:23:08 PM PST by Iggles Phan
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To: Iggles Phan
The Dispensationalists force themselves to eliminate Jesus Christ from completing these purposes within the 70 Weeks. Therefore, they are left with Antichrist, which is foolish, absurd, and heretical.

It really doesn't matter what a denomination says, be it the RCC or Bible believing Christians who agree with dispensational doctrine. The Word of God clearly prophecies a people and a prince to come which is not the Messiah, and that prince is overwhelmed by the return of Christ. The last group of Daniel's 70 sevens begins with the signing of the covenant by Israel with the AntiChrist, who is not revealed until midway through the Tribulation. He is not a victor over Christ, rather he will be the great loser in the Tribulation conflict. The object of the Great Tribulation, though is not on the AntiChrist nor the Adversary, but on six things noted in Dan 9:24. The focus of Daniel is upon Israel, and when she will return to righteous fellowship with God and when the Gentile nations would no longer precede that relationship. If this is too problematic to understand, then refocus on other doctrine so we continue to grow in faith in Christ. Eschatology is one of the more advanced doctrines which builds upon a better understanding of more basic doctrines. That is why the Church has taken some 2000 years to better grasp the doctrines in eschatology. It is also why those with dispensational leanings tend to study both the OT and NT Scriptures rigorously before continuing in their studies on eschatology.

281 posted on 11/29/2011 5:52:33 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Iggles Phan; metmom; CynicalBear; Quix

We call Judas a betrayer, but that is not how he viewed himself.....it would seem you are similar after reading this thread and your posts.

He thought he would speed up the eventual and probably make some money to boot.... After all following Jesus he should have money and nice things as he rules over the people.

Judas professed to follow Christ. He walked and ate with him. On the fateful night he kisses Jesus in his betrayal selling him for 30 pieces.... That is Antichrist.... Judas still thought he was a disciple when he did this.

Maybe Judas thought that Jesus would work a miracle when the soldiers came for him.... He wanted the Messiah to cast off the Roman yoke through a major display of miracle power and be crowned king,... he wanted the kingdom now.... Judas thought he was helping Jesus obtain what was rightfully His. ...He wasn’t.


333 posted on 11/30/2011 1:48:11 PM PST by caww
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