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To: CynicalBear

A quote from another rapture thread on another site:

“As far as the ‘rapture’ is concerned, I think the interpretations of some people are due to their misunderstanding of the concept of the just being ‘caught up’ when Jesus appears at the Second Coming.

They don’t seem to realize that when He comes back for all to see, it will all be over except the final Judgement that will happen at that point in time. He won’t be calling them up so they can watch it all happen without ever having to suffer anything, at all. That’s not how God works.

The suffering of the righteous is always necessary to help pay for the sins of others that are less righteous. That’s why we have martyrs that are willing to die for their faith. Their heroism makes up in some way for what is lacking in the rest of us.

There’s no place in the history of the Bible where the punishments that were sent by God ever spared His own people from any kind of suffering.

Noah and his immediate family certainly must have suffered by having to bear the humiliation and taunting of those that refused to believe that the flood was coming, as well as the loss of all of their friends and neighbors when it finally came. I doubt that the cries of the people around them didn’t cause them any pain when they heard them pleading for him to let them in the ark.

When Lot and his family were lead away from Sodom, I doubt they were dancing a jig while they listened to the screams of those people that were being destroyed, even while knowing that they were evil, including Lot’s wife that couldn’t resist looking back to see it. You don’t go through that kind of ordeal without being deeply affected by it.

Even the Israelites that were led out of Egypt by Moses, suffered in the desert for 40 years because so many of them lacked faith, even though God was always, visibly, with them. He still punished them, even though He loved them, and had chosen to save them from slavery because of the faith of their fathers.

Anyone that expects to be spared from all suffering during the Tribulation, is not really thinking about how God usually works. They’re being a little naive to believe anyone that tells them that some of them will escape without any suffering. I know it’s a nice thought, but it’s not typical of the way God has done things in the past.

If they think about the fact that God didn’t even spare His Only Son from suffering all that He did, how can they believe that they could be worthy of being spared? It just doesn’t make any theological sense to me. “

And let us not forget Job.
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242 posted on 11/28/2011 6:52:47 PM PST by Not gonna take it anymore (Member of the First Church of Christ, I am Catholic)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
>> There’s no place in the history of the Bible where the punishments that were sent by God ever spared His own people from any kind of suffering.<<

Have you never read about Lot or Noah?

>> Noah and his immediate family certainly must have suffered by having to bear the humiliation and taunting of those that refused to believe that the flood was coming<<

And your making fun of those who believe the Rapture is coming is what?

>> When Lot and his family were lead away from Sodom, I doubt they were dancing a jig while they listened to the screams of those people that were being destroyed<<

And those who leave in the Rapture watching friends who didn’t believe being left behind?

250 posted on 11/28/2011 7:33:55 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
There’s no place in the history of the Bible where the punishments that were sent by God ever spared His own people from any kind of suffering.

Let's think before we type.

I seem to recall an event called the Passover.

252 posted on 11/28/2011 7:58:56 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Not gonna take it anymore
The suffering of the righteous is always necessary to help pay for the sins of others that are less righteous.

This has to be one of the most unChristian, uneducated, and foolish statements I have ever read.

1) All sins have been paid for at the Cross. The payment made was His spiritual death.

That’s why we have martyrs that are willing to die for their faith. Their heroism makes up in some way for what is lacking in the rest of us.

Wrong again.

MARTUS

Of uncertain affinity; a witness (literally [judicially] or figuratively [generally]); by analogy a “martyr”: - martyr, record, witness.

Suffering is a different issue from being a witness.

A witness who endures numerous tests might be veritable. Suffering is frequently promoted by those who dislike a witness testimony in order to dissuade the testimony from being given, but in no way does suffering change the truth of a witness, nor is it required for the witness to be true.

257 posted on 11/28/2011 8:42:59 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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