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To: boatbums
Delude yourself all you want. I'm not falling for it. Paul's teachings are what Jesus revealed to him - they did not come from Paul. Therefore, the epistles - all of them not just Paul's - are continuing revelation of Christ.

Paul's writings are among the earliest in the NT, so by your logic they don't count. Only the last ones count. Therefore, why don't you jettison everything except John, Jude and Peter, and possibly Matthew and Luke and Mark. Same problem as before: you guys will argue and refuse to back up your positions with any suitable Scripture simply because the Reformation fell for the old Paulian heresies and their children continue it today. Remember Peter's warning against misinterpreting Paul? Alive in tens of thousands of different beliefs, today, and splintering as fast as all get out.

3,995 posted on 12/13/2011 3:44:08 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Paul's writings are among the earliest in the NT, so by your logic they don't count. Only the last ones count. Therefore, why don't you jettison everything except John, Jude and Peter, and possibly Matthew and Luke and Mark. Same problem as before: you guys will argue and refuse to back up your positions with any suitable Scripture simply because the Reformation fell for the old Paulian heresies and their children continue it today. Remember Peter's warning against misinterpreting Paul? Alive in tens of thousands of different beliefs, today, and splintering as fast as all get out.

Are you unaware that the Gospels were placed at the start of the New Testament, not because of when they were written, but because they were chronological? I really wish you would get it out of your head that I in any way say parts of Scripture count more than others or don't count at all. I have never said such and you have no proof that I ever have. And may I remind you, sectarianism and splits did not begin after the Reformation. There have always been disagreements and differences and that is why Scripture MUST be our only infallible authority because it alone came from God. Even the writings of the ECFs do not hold a candle to the infallible truths of Scripture. Man is and will always be fallible and those who hold to man-made doctrines and dogmas cheat themselves as well as their members out of the assurance we have that only Scripture provides.

Those that pervert the truth Peter spoke about when he said about Paul's writings, "speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." Get that, those who are "unlearned", or ignorant, and "unstable" distort not only Paul's but all of Scripture and they do it to their OWN destruction. It's strange that you claim "we" argue and refuse to back up our positions with any suitable Scripture, since we nearly always do include Scripture relevant to the topic. Some even post teachings of your church straight from the Catechism or approved documents yet even then they are denied and danced around. I get it that you have a whole lot riding on the belief that your leaders cannot be wrong about anything, so I understand the aversion to admitting they could be, but it is your own eternal destiny that is riding on it. You owe it to yourself to know not just what you believe but why you believe and if all you got is "because that's what we believe", I feel sorry for you.

3,997 posted on 12/13/2011 4:53:17 PM PST by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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