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To: Jvette
And now here you are going off into ‘other’ scriptures....and taking my post and twisting it to satisfy your need to prove me wrong in what I stated...you cannot.....the discussion is on John chapter One.....I said in a nut shell that with all that John was testifying to about Christ In John I ..and all those present and a part of his magnificent account...there is not a single mention of Mary there...and there's not. Not a word.

The point being made, had you been paying attention, is....wouldn't you think that if God intended Mary to have the co-equality with Christ that the catholic church preaches then you'd also expect of course she'd be at the very least mentioned or included throughout the scriptures as Jesus is...she's not....

...and or that during some of the most momentous moments for the apostles...she would be mentioned....she's not...in fact very little of the scriptures reference Mary....she has her roll...and her place...catholics take her way out there where God has never intended you should have her...by doing so you dethrone Christ by your practices and worship of her...and frankly she would be appalled.

Now you can popcorn all the scripture accounts you want to justify to yourself your belief that Mary is coequal with Christ...and in some cases even superior to.....but as I also mentioned prior...that is where catholics hang themselves....

....anyone can pull scriptures to justify any belief they want...(otherwise cults would not be successful at bait and switch using the scriptures)....but the written word has a rhythm and rhyme throughout so when you popcorn it you've “taken away” from what is written when you do so to support a false teaching....and the worship and adoration of Mary is just that..a false teaching and an affront to God.

But to comment on the passages you gave....and the most we hear from Mary , for this was her time before God the Father....Take note that she lifted Gods name up not her own....She addresses God as HER SAVIOR, just so you recognize she acknowledges her need of one...so the catholic teaching she's sinless is baloney... It's all about Him.....with a humble mention of what he has done for her. That's pretty much the it of it.

3,203 posted on 12/08/2011 8:05:30 PM PST by caww
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To: caww; D-fendr; Jvette; rzman21; metmom

what to show me where the Church teaches Mary is equal to Jesus Christ?

one is a created being, the other is God Almighty.


3,206 posted on 12/08/2011 8:09:59 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: caww

*****wouldn’t you think that if God intended Mary to have the co-equality with Christ that the catholic church preaches****

Well, there’s your first mistake, that is not what the Church teaches or preaches.

****then you’d also expect of course she’d be at the very least mentioned or included throughout the scriptures as Jesus is****

Actually, she is. At the momentous occasion of Jesus’ conception.

At His birth.

At the first miracle He performed at her request.

With Him at the foot of the cross.

and she was with the Apostles when the Holy Spirit came upon them.

That doesn’t even include the mentions of her in the OT prophesies about her.

****had you been paying attention****

My attention is 100% upon the errors of your posts.

****by doing so you dethrone Christ by your practices and worship of her****

Mary sits at the right hand of her Son, who sits at the right hand of the Father.

****Now you can popcorn all the scripture accounts you want to justify to yourself your belief that Mary is coequal with Christ...and in some cases even superior to.****

Another error as to what the Church holds and preaches. My justification is from Christ.

****She addresses God as HER SAVIOR, just so you recognize she acknowledges her need of one...so the catholic teaching she’s sinless is baloney****

More evidence that protestants have no idea what they are talking about. Mary’s sinless nature was a singular gift of grace from God to prepare her to bear the Incarnated Word of God. She was never stained with original sin therefore she did not have the propensity to sin that comes from the original sin.

Her salvation came at the moment of her conception, not because of who Mary was, but because of who JESUS is. Always and everything about Mary is first and foremost about her Son.

She is coequal with Jesus only in the same way all who believe in Him and are saved are, as coequal heirs to the inheritance of eternal life in God.

Protestant theology is like a cardboard cutout, no substance and no thought other than “I claim salvation for myself”.

It matters not if you or any here attack me for my faith, but at least get that faith straight and attack me for what I truly believe.


3,222 posted on 12/08/2011 8:48:14 PM PST by Jvette
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To: caww; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; count-your-change; ...
The real test would be to take Mary out of Catholicism for a while and see what happens to the religion.

Would, or even COULD Catholics go for any length of time without praying to Mary or even thinking about her?

Jeremiah 29:13 You shall seek me, and shall find me: when you shall seek me with all your heart.

I would dare any Catholic to spend a month praying only to God, not Mary, not any saints, not even telling anyone else they're doing it and asking them to pray for them, just them and the Father, asking the Holy Spirit to guide them, seeking God alone with their whole heart, and see just where the Father leads them.

Read ONLY Scripture and nothing else. I would challenge them to trust ONLY God.

3,271 posted on 12/09/2011 6:48:35 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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