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To: D-fendr; caww
Mary leads us to Christ.

Wait... what?

The holy Spirit, Can't handle the job Himself? He needs Mary's help to do that?

Who knew that God wasn't up to the job?

John 16:7-15 7Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

12"I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

3,158 posted on 12/08/2011 6:41:03 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; caww; D-fendr; rzman21

the Holy Spirit doesn’t use human beings to bring other human beings to Christ???

funny, my Bible tells me the Holy Spirit used Philip to bring the eunuch to Christ in Acts 8.

does your Bible have Acts 8 in it?


3,161 posted on 12/08/2011 6:44:09 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: metmom
You can go to Jesus however you wish. I recommend all who love Him do so.

You can go directly, I recommend that also.

The point of Mary leads us to Christ in the context of my post was this:

You could go directly to Christ if He had come into this world descending from the clouds or appearing from nowhere. There would be no difference in your going to Him in regard to this aspect.

However, you can only be led through Mary to Christ if you realize Christ as the Incarnate Word. This is what the Christian Faith teaches about Christ; fully human, fully divine. This is incredibly important in the Christian Faith, we cannot and must not separate the two. Any other teaching about who Christ is is not of the same faith.

So the fullness of Our Saviour, humanity and divinity is seen in the Incarnation, the whole Christ. This was the context and my thinking when I writing it. It is in this fuller way that Mary leads us to Christ, points to Christ, as she does in this icon:


3,183 posted on 12/08/2011 7:19:42 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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