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To: D-fendr; metmom; boatbums; CynicalBear
Mary leads us to Christ.

I learned long ago always read the last statement a poster makes to get an idea of what they are focusing on. Yours above revealed it all.

You really haven't a clue what that statement.."Mary leads us to Christ".... really is saying about Gods plan for the Salvation of men......dangerous ground you're walking..... But let me just say that the Holy Spirit knows exactly when His work of leading the saved and unsaved to Christ has been subverted and blasphemed by a/or false teachers. It does not go unseen or unnoticed.

Further People saved, and not, do not need lessons or instructions about Mary. They need to hear and be taught about their Savior Jesus Christ...and the gospel message He gave us.

This great work to reach both saved and unsaved is a co-operative effort between the Holy Spirit of God and believers in Christ.. who are sent to those He would have hear that message....and by hearing the Word of Christ, repent, accept His forgiveness He so freely offers... and be saved... and by doing so obtain Eternal Life with Christ.....Additionally ..... those who are sent to build up and instruct the body of believers in 'the truth' ...that those who hear what the spirit is saying...might learn to love Jesus more and more and follow Him.

There has never been, nor now, nor ever will be, any directive from God where Mary is or has been included or "Inserted" in that equation...only foolish men do so and that to their own harm. By doing so they have ...." missed the mark of the High Calling of God In Christ Jesus"...and mis-lead others from the rightful path of Salvation thru Jesus Christ... and Jesus Christ alone...and the truths He would have His followers to live by.

3,133 posted on 12/08/2011 5:24:08 PM PST by caww
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To: caww; D-fendr; metmom; boatbums

The deceit of the CC is going to be costly to all who hold it as their way to salvation. The CC is a heretical cult that has followed the pagan practices and rituals of Babylon. The symbols of Baal incorporated into the CC rituals and practices are an abomination to God.


3,137 posted on 12/08/2011 5:44:13 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: caww
Mary leads us to Christ. Through the Incarnation. It is as God determined in His plan of Salvation. You cannot deny it, subtract it, absent it or change it without doing harm to His plan.

Christ could have appeared from the clouds, He did not. He could have come from a rock; He did not. The Word was God and the Word became flesh. Not out of nowhere, but born of a woman. This is how Christ came into this world. This means something. It defines who Christ is. Without the Incarnate Word, there is no true Christian theology of the Most Holy Trinity. This is integral to the Christian Faith concerning who Jesus is.

If we do not approach the Christ of the Most Holy Trinity with this in mind, we are not of the Christian faith, but of some heresy of the second, third or fourth or twenty-first century.

Further People saved, and not, do not need lessons or instructions about Mary.

You do not know who Christ is if you don't know who Mary is.

Salvation thru Jesus Christ

is more than saying a name. Gnostics, Arians, Nestorians all taught salvation through Christ, but it was not the true Christ, not the Christ of the Incarnate Word. It was a different Christ and a different Mary. You cannot separate them and still have the Incarnate Word of the true Christian Faith.

As Jvette put it; Mary is who she is because her Son is who He is. As I said in the beginning: beneath every deficient Mariology is a deficient Christology.

This is what many, those who for reasons they cannot explain cannot even say the words "Mary is the mother of God" need instruction in, most particularly those who ignorantly condemn what they think is the Catholic faith.

Make up your own Christian faith, create your own theology if you wish, call it Trinitarian without the most basic understanding of what it is - if you wish.

But you are on your own and nothing you come up with changes what Christ is, what He taught and what the Church has always taught and defended against all heresies past and present.

3,154 posted on 12/08/2011 6:35:32 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: caww

****Further People saved, and not, do not need lessons or instructions about Mary. They need to hear and be taught about their Savior Jesus Christ...and the gospel message He gave us.*****

The Savior had a mother and Mary was her name and the Son of God came to us through her both physically and spiritually.
The Divine and the Human, God and Man, the Word made Flesh.

When God came to us in our own form, first as a newly conceived embryo, then as a fetus and then as a newborn child, I think He pretty much let us know what He thinks of Mary.

There is no discussion of Mary which does not have at its core the Sacred Name of Jesus.

“I am the handmaid of the Lord, let it be done to me according to thy will.”

My soul magnifies the Lord,
and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior;
Because He has regarded the lowliness of His handmaid;
for behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed;
Because He who is mighty has done great things for me,
and Holy is His Name;
And His mercy is from generation to generation on those who fear Him.
He has shown might with His arm,
He has scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and has exalted the lowly.
He has filled the hungry with good things,
and the rich he has sent away empty.
He has given help to Israel, His servant, mindful of His mercy
Even as He spoke to our fathers -
to Abraham and to his posterity forever.

Really? We can learn nothing about Jesus through Mary?


3,166 posted on 12/08/2011 6:53:35 PM PST by Jvette
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