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To: metmom
Claiming that Protestantism is that divided is just an attempt to… in order to…

Yada yada, change the subject.

The subject was the validity of the claim of sola scriptura guided by the Holy Spirit. Specifically your disagreement with the statement: "individual Protestants can have wildly divergent interpretations of scripture and still be infallibly guided by the Holy Spirit."

Examples were produced of one example concerning salvation by election vs. free will which you pronounced as not wildly divergent.

It would seem the history of Calvinism vs. Arminianism alone (ignoring other subjects and interpretations with different theology among sola scriptura churches) would suffice to convince otherwise.

Not so apparently. Your claim expands to "Protestanism is not that divided" in order to minimize the differences in interpretation. I think clear facts are otherwise. A couple of examples from just one denomination over this issue only:

Calvinism creates Baptist dissension

"It went against everything I'd been taught growing up in Southern Baptist churches," Batson said. "It didn't teach that I'd made a choice. It taught the opposite, that God had made a choice. That's frightening when you first see it."

Batson's fright soon gave way to a more fervent belief in God's sovereignty in choosing an elect group to save. But the majority at Lee Road didn't agree. After much dissension, Batson, pastor Dean, associate pastor Johnny Touchet and approximately 130 others left eight months ago to form a new Taylors church, Covenant Baptist."…

…"The Bible teaches both viewpoints, and they're diametrically opposed,"agreed the Rev. Tony Beam, pastor of Pleasant Grove Baptist Church in Fountain Inn. "

In July, 115 people left Mount Pisgah Baptist Church in Easley to form Mount Moriah Baptist, which calls itself theologically Reformed instead of Calvinist…

The state's regional Baptist associations invited a Columbia pastor, Dr. Dick Lincoln, to speak about Calvinism at a statewide conference a few weeks ago. He handed out a sheet that included a list of "Scriptural Reasons I Am Not a Calvinist."

In more recent history, the controversy has rolled through the Southern Baptist Convention as pastors wrestled with the implications of inerrancy. For every Acts 13:48 that Calvinists point to, Arminians answer with a Romans 10:13: "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."…

An Interview with Dr. Frank S. Page, President and CEO of the Executive Committee of the Southern Baptist Convention (Oct. 18, 2011)
"I think one of the issues which is a tremendous challenge for us is the theological divide of Calvinism and non-Calvinism.  Everyone is aware of this, but few want to talk about this in public.  The reason is obvious.  It is deeply divisive in many situations and is disconcerting in others.  At some point we are going to see the challenges which are ensuing from this divide become even more problematic for us.  I regularly receive communications from churches who are struggling over this issue."
And again, these cites are to exemplify the degree of divergence: big enough to split churches over.

The argument is that: individual Protestants/denominations can not have these "divisive," "opposite," and "diametrically opposed," interpretations of scripture and still be infallibly guided by the (same) Holy Spirit. By definition.

2,976 posted on 12/06/2011 4:19:23 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
The Protestant Confessions of Faith show this stark differences.

The Westminster Confession says this about Holy Communion: VII. Worthy receivers, outwardly partaking of the visible elements, in this sacrament,[13] do then also, inwardly by faith, really and indeed, yet not carnally and corporally but spiritually, receive and feed upon, Christ crucified, and all benefits of His death: the body and blood of Christ being then, not corporally or carnally, in, with, or under the bread and wine; yet, as really, but spiritually, present to the faith of believers in that ordinance, as the elements themselves are to their outward senses.[14]

While the Lutheran Augsburg Confession says: Of the Supper of the Lord they teach that the Body and Blood of Christ are truly present, and are distributed 2] to those who eat the Supper of the Lord; and they reject those that teach otherwise.

And the Baptist Confession of Faith says: Worthy receivers, outwardly taking the visible elements in this ordinance, also receive them inwardly and spiritually by faith, truly and in fact, but not carnally and corporally, and feed upon Christ crucified, and all the benefits of His death. The body and blood of Christ is not present corporally or carnally but it is spiritually present to the faith of believers in the ordinance, just as the elements are present to their outward senses. Yet all say scripture alone teaches what they claim it does.
2,997 posted on 12/06/2011 6:14:12 PM PST by rzman21
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