You have just disqualified yourself from being a Biblical exegete who is worthy to engage in further disputation, nor do your additional verses and argumentation from silence prove that the act of baptism is what causes regeneration or appropriates forgiveness, and is absolutely necessary for it, versus the faith behind baptism being what appropriates the gift.
If you will not concede that you were wrong in contending that forgiveness and regeneration did not precede baptism, and thus it can, then no further exchange is warranted on this issue. Titus 3:2
your choice. if you can’t answer the Scriptures i gave you, end the discussion. i understand.
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