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To: metmom

I really don’t see how anyone can read Acts or the Church Epistles, the Council of Jerusalem, etc. and not see the Church with authority and hierarchy.

Some can, but iMHO it’s because they must ignore Church authority in earlier times once they have rejected the Church’s authority today.

Individualism, sola scriptura become necessities elevated to virtues in this case.


2,317 posted on 12/03/2011 4:12:17 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; metmom
I really don’t see how anyone can read Acts or the Church Epistles, the Council of Jerusalem, etc. and not see the Church with authority and hierarchy.

If we look historically we see that individual bishops/elders held councils that decided things like canonical books and rules for the "priesthood"... The church held an independence for more than 300 years until Rome decided it had complete authority and wielded the sword to prove it..

2,322 posted on 12/03/2011 4:37:03 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: D-fendr
I really don’t see how anyone can read Acts or the Church Epistles, the Council of Jerusalem, etc. and not see the Church with authority and hierarchy.

They were fellow elders together.

There is nothing in that Council of Jerusalem which even nearly resembles the RCC as it is today.

The Holy Spirit through Paul lays out some very specific qualifications for elder and deacon, but nowhere is there any indication of any kind of centralized authority controlling all the churches. They were separate entities, completely capable of being independent and self-sufficient as travel and communication in those days precluded the kind of massive conglomeration of churches being controlled by a centralizes authority we see today.

In addition, it is also a safety valve should error creep into the church, then the whole thing doesn't implode into heresy, there's always a remnant which will survive to pass on the truth.

2,344 posted on 12/03/2011 6:48:17 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: D-fendr; metmom

Hierarchy tends to be . . . a natural inclination in a lot of respects.

It is AT LEAST like beauty in the eye of the beholder.

It takes Holy Spirit and earnest effort to see ourselves as less than or equal to others in healthy ways.

Similarly, it takes Holy Spirit and earnest effort to see reality as Biblical and other than we have been taught, when that is the case.


2,385 posted on 12/03/2011 7:38:50 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: D-fendr
I really don’t see how anyone can read Acts or the Church Epistles, the Council of Jerusalem, etc. and not see the Church with authority and hierarchy.

Spend some time in the epistles you ignore and you then will see...

2,798 posted on 12/05/2011 7:27:09 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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