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To: RnMomof7; D-fendr
there are NO, nada, proof that anyone was with Mary when she dies.. no proof of how or when she died.. and certainly no proof that the apostles were all present or where she died OR WHERE HER TOMB was

Yest there is. Testimony from an authoritative source is considered evidence in a court of law. You have been provided testimony on the Assumption of Mary from St John of Damascus, universally recognized as one of the authoritative Greek Fathers. You choose not to accept said evidence, but please give up your pretense that none exists.

2,302 posted on 12/03/2011 2:15:00 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Yest there is. Testimony from an authoritative source is considered evidence in a court of law. You have been provided testimony on the Assumption of Mary from St John of Damascus, universally recognized as one of the authoritative Greek Fathers. You choose not to accept said evidence, but please give up your pretense that none exists.

Not according to YOUR CATHOLIC encyclopedia.. what you are citing IS NOT PROOF.. it is hearsay tradition NOT PROOF..

Do Catholics even know what proof is??

Regarding the day, year, and manner of Our Lady's death, nothing certain is known. The earliest known literary reference to the Assumption is found in the Greek work De Obitu S. Dominae. Catholic faith, however, has always derived our knowledge of the mystery from Apostolic Tradition. Epiphanius (d. 403) acknowledged that he knew nothing definite about it (Haer., lxxix, 11).

The dates assigned for it vary between three and fifteen years after Christ's Ascension. Two cities claim to be the place of her departure: Jerusalem and Ephesus. Common consent favours Jerusalem, where her tomb is shown; but some argue in favour of Ephesus. The first six centuries did not know of the tomb of Mary at Jerusalem.

So there is no date, no time, no location, no sure knowledge if she was alone or not.. no cause and not even a sure burial place
The Catholic Encyclopedia

Mas there is NO EVIDENCE ..nothing written by witnesses to her death or assumption..no physical evidence ,not even assurance where the tomb was..

2,303 posted on 12/03/2011 2:46:06 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: mas cerveza por favor; RnMomof7
>> You have been provided testimony on the Assumption of Mary from St John of Damascus<<

Yeah, and Mohammad had vision and ascended into heaven and John Smith had visions and Angels and thousands see Mary in toast.

2,353 posted on 12/03/2011 7:00:00 PM PST by CynicalBear
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