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To: mas cerveza por favor
The bible never claims to be self-sufficient but rather dependent upon the Church.

How would you know??? The bible obviously hasn't seen much daylight at your house...

Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

There's complete sufficiency for salvation right there...

There are other books that are completely sufficient in instruction for the workings of the church...

There are other books that are completely sufficient in dealing with how to live the Christian life...

How did the Church operate for her first 350 years without a canonized New Testament or her first decades with little or no NT scripture?

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

How could the Catholic Church create her bible before possessing a bible to guide her unless she is infallibly guided by the Paraclete, as Christ promised?

That's a real goofy one...How??? By collecting bibles that were floating around for a few hundred years before the Catholic religion created itself...

Got any hard questions???

1,864 posted on 12/01/2011 7:56:44 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool
By collecting bibles that were floating around for a few hundred years before the Catholic religion created itself...

When did the Catholic religion create itself? Please specify what Catholic "heresies" were introduced, when, and by whom. (Constantine introduced no new doctrines. If you think that he created a climate conducive to heresy, please specify these heresies and by whom they were taught.)

If you have no such evidence, there is nothing else to support your position.

1,870 posted on 12/01/2011 9:51:23 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Iscool
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

There's complete sufficiency for salvation right there...

Until recently, all Christians throughout history believed in the necessity of baptism. How did the early Christians get it so wrong?

1,874 posted on 12/01/2011 10:16:34 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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