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To: Rashputin
>> and blood is not blood<<

Which organization is it again who claims to turn a wafer into blood but then claims it’s an “unbloody” sacrifice? Talk about denying that it’s blood after declaring it to be blood! >> But the, "I interpret Me" folks say, WORKS! AWK!! WORKS !! OOOOHHHH, NOOOOOO<<

Let’s ask Jesus.

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29

1,834 posted on 12/01/2011 6:02:18 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29

Wait... What?

Isn't that passage in the same chapter about eating the flesh and blood of Jesus that the Catholics like to take literally?

1,844 posted on 12/01/2011 6:38:08 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear
"Which organization is it again who claims to turn a wafer into blood but then claims it’s an “unbloody” sacrifice?"

What facile tripe. So bad that if I were willing to sink to the level of the "loving non-Catholic Christians" around here, I'd call it vomit and dismiss it by saying, "I don't care what sort of Protestant vomit you spew, it's not worthy of an answer" the same way people have answered me.

Did Christ bleed on the Cross?
Did He promise to re-sacrifice Himself or to provide us the fruits of His sacrifice?
Is it impossible for Christ to preserve the results of His original Sacrifice?
Did Christ lie when he said he would provide His Blood and His Body?
Do people who deny what Christ Himself said think Christ was such a sorry excuse for a human being that he could not make Himself understood?
Can someone actually believe in Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit but where Christ is directly quoted call Christ a bumbling idiot or a liar?

For people who claim to believe in the "clear meaning of Scripture" those who pretend to not know what the term "unbloody Sacrifice" means or who deliberately distort the term can only be working very hard to avoid the Truth or working very hard to deliberately spread lies. Christ bled and died for us. At Mass, Christ offers us His body in the Host, and His blood in the wine. No new sacrifice is required, no new bloody flesh, no new flowing blood, the exact same flesh and blood that was Sacrificed once and for all is presented to us exactly as Christ said it would be.

A single out of context verse isn't, "Ask Jesus", it's bunk pure and simple. Someone trying to pretend they have a Scriptural basis for what they want to believe and hope to convince others to ignore the context, and the context is the entire Bible. Context isn't a selection of individual verses strung on threads of personally fabricated fallacies or Protestant heresies that claim "Thy Will" and "My Intellect" are one and the same. Context is the entire Bible, the entire Old Testament and entire New Testament, even the portions of the Old Testament that Luther threw out, and without proper interpretation rather than personal interpretation, even the entire Bible is just pearls before swine. The Holy Spirit does not and cannot directly contradict what Christ clearly said in Scripture, and in Scripture Christ clearly said he would provide the result of His Crucifixion which was THE sacrifice we share in at Mass. That's why "communion" that denies the real presence is a mockery that pretends to remember a nice supper but in reality is a celebration of calling Christ a liar to His face.

Participation in such a service by those who are ignorant is one thing, but those who have been clearly confronted with the serious implications of not believing in the real presence are in great danger. Which is why Luther insisted that the real body and real blood were present. Even Luther knew he couldn't directly call Christ a liar without damning himself.

1,849 posted on 12/01/2011 6:51:42 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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