And like I said ... it's a tired old argument that neither side benefits from. I don't get involved anymore.
I am often weary of hashing the same arguments with the same posters and there are some times when it makes no sense to keep up the fight. That's why I think it's so important - especially on issues of faith - that we try to remain respectful and remember to "speak the truth in love". Like II Timothy 2:24 says, "And the Lords servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
I think if we all kept that in mind, much animosity could be avoided but there will always, unfortunately, be people that enjoy quarreling and those that are unable to be kind and not resentful to others who don't see everything the same as they do. To those people, there should always be counterpoints, those willing to step up and defend what is true and who know why it is true. Not everyone will agree but everyone should go away with their dignity still intact. JMHO.