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To: D-fendr; HossB86

I have never met ONE dispensationalist who believed what is listed in your “prominent dispensationalist” opinion. I love how suddenly “heretics” are considered “prominent” if they give you something, anything, to chow down on. I read somewhere that a “prominent” ex-Catholic priest said that there were Catholic priests that perform Satanic rituals and that is where the molestation of young children originated. And he could prove it. This, too is from a very prominent former Catholic priest, who left the priesthood and Church in disgust. Should everyone believe that because he is suddenly described as “prominent”? Does what one person say make it so because he is described as “prominent”? I didn’t think so..


1,047 posted on 11/28/2011 7:11:27 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice; HossB86; D-fendr; rzman21

hmm, i never met a Catholic that thinks Mary is divine or that she is to be worshipped.

doesn’t stop the muslims, mormons, JW’s, SDA and others from telling this “untruth” almost daily.

i know Christians would never make such a charge, Christians love the truth, right??


1,050 posted on 11/28/2011 7:15:28 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: smvoice

My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.

Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.

Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.

Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.

Amen.

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.

(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)


1,056 posted on 11/28/2011 7:23:52 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: smvoice
I have never met ONE dispensationalist who believed what is listed in your “prominent dispensationalist” opinion.

You stick to your own sect. Happy to enlighten you. There are several more divisions:

Research the history of Dispensationalism and the various offshoots, you might find one that appeals to your particular personality more. Better yet, spend some time researching the history of the Church beyond the 19th Century.

Seriously. Start with Acts and the Pastoral epistles, continue on with the early Church writings and histories, try St. John Damascene's compilation of early Church theology. Find some objective sources and really study the history of the canon of Holy Scripture, the early heresies, councils of the Church, creeds: all about how the Christian Faith came to us, from Jesus and the Apostles to today, not just the parts covered by your "Bible Study Class."

:)

l really think you might actually get into this study, give it a try.

1,058 posted on 11/28/2011 7:24:44 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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