Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.
Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.
History can be a b!.. er, problem, when you're on the wrong side of it.
There’s nothing to say, but God bless you and we will agree to disagree.
This Sunday we just changed our Missal (the order of our Mass) to reflect the direct translation of Latin into English rather than the quite liberal, "relative" translation drawn up in the late 1960’s. It is a strong step against the Pink-Purple Mafia (what I call the gay Catholic clergy). As more and more conservative bishops and archbishops are being appointed, and reflect the TRUE spirit of the Church I expect to see stuff like this stop.
However, for the present, I am deeply disturbed and will let my priest and archbishop know that this must be oppossed!
Will they “let” him take Eucharist, too? If so, that is not only a sin for him, but a sin for everyone in that diocese, the priests and deacons of that church, and ALL the parishoners who celebrate this or refuse to condemn it!!!!
Maybe you should read James 2:24 instead of spouting off on your “superior understanding of the Bible.”
“God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
You just can’t reach some people. Instead of arguing polemics, we should focus on our own holiness and salvation.
i used to think those that consistently attack the Church were Protestants who’s understanding of Church doctrine and history is learned from a tract or radiio preacher.
after seeing the repeated “untruths” ( i think that’s what the RM wants me to call them ) and un-Christian behavior, i now believe many of these attacks are coming from muslims, mormons, jehovah witnesses or 7th day adventist pretending to be “born again” Christians.
no one who has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit could post these things i am reading.
truly, by their fruits you will know them.
Are you a Catholic? If so, you are not a basher, and I share you passion and anger.
If you are not a Catholic, then I fail to see how it could or would concern you...
An Orthodox Freeper admonished me privately that I ought to focus on my own salvation than arguing with people who won’t listen.
He’s right. Those who know Jesus live according to a spirit of humility and turn the other cheek.
I’m sure you have more than a undocumented comment to prove that. Show the documentation or …….well you know.
the offical teaching of transubstantiation came in 33ad from the Lord Himself.
Christians have believed Him for 2,000 years from Paul to Ignatius to Justin Martyr to Irenaeus to Cyprian to Jerome to Augustine to Thomas to today.
this teaching is folly to the non-Christian.
What’s the point? Even if you saw the citation in black and white you would say it’s not inspired and dismiss it.
One can have a discussion with a person who wants to listen, but you are only interested in demonstrating your own pride and arrogance.
James 2:24. Go look it up.
If there were, some would criticize the Church for being too controlling. You can look at the various systematic theologies as taking pieces of truth and expanding them into one big untruth. That's how heresies are.
The Church is big. It's walls are as far out as possible, allowing as much freedom as possible while remaining true to the teachings of Christ to His apostles. She did so over the centuries dealing with heresies and maintaining the universal, catholic, faith.
The Church has taken the truths taught by heresies and rejected the untruth they derived from them. The Church has harmonized these truths into its teaching. Within these walls, the individual is free to let Holy Scripture mean what it means to them individually, over time. Scripture if it is Holy in the true sense, has many meanings. This freedom of interpretation is more freedom than that found in, say, Calvinism.
The official commentary on the Church's Holy Scriptures is found in its councils' decisions, it's dogmas and creeds.
The great majority of Christians, Catholic or not, still hold to the Church's creeds. This, we believe...
Luther’s problem with transubstantiation was its reliance on Aristotelian categories of accidents and substance.
He even believed that Jesus was corporeally present in the Eucharist except he taught that Jesus was present “In, with, and under the species of bread and wine.”
The Fourth Council of the Lateran isn’t accepted in the Christian East, yet it firmly believes in the real presence of Christ.
It’s a mystery how the change happens, who knows and really why should we care?
Nothing we say will convince these people they are wrong.
The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, which dates to around 400 A.D. in its essentials prays:
I believe and confess, Lord, that You are truly the Christ, the Son of the living God, who came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the first. I also believe that this is truly Your pure Body and that this is truly Your precious Blood. Therefore, I pray to You, have mercy upon me, and forgive my transgressions, voluntary and involuntary, in word and deed, known and unknown. And make me worthy without condemnation to partake of Your pure Mysteries for the forgiveness of sins and for life eternal. Amen.
How shall I, who am unworthy, enter into the splendor of Your saints? If I dare to enter into the bridal chamber, my clothing will accuse me, since it is not a wedding garment; and being bound up, I shall be cast out by the angels. In Your love, Lord, cleanse my soul and save me.
Loving Master, Lord Jesus Christ, my God, let not these holy Gifts be to my condemnation because of my unworthiness, but for the cleansing and sanctification of soul and body and the pledge of the future life and kingdom. It is good for me to cling to God and to place in Him the hope of my salvation.
Receive me today, Son of God, as a partaker of Your mystical Supper. I will not reveal Your mystery to Your adversaries. Nor will I give You a kiss as did Judas. But as the thief I confess to You: Lord, remember me in Your kingdom.
Since you have seen fit to include me in this posting, I would like you to state which party to which I belong. I am not pretending to be saved; I am saved. I have not the first trace of ill-will toward Roman Catholic people; however, I do have ill-will toward the Roman Catholic Church which leads people down the straight, wide way to destruction.
Make sure you differentiate that fact before you go making blanket accusations that you cannot by any stretch of the imagination back up.
So... which party am I since you know so much?
Hoss
Wrong. Nice way to conflate two disparate ideas. Non-sequiter. Try again.
Hoss
Snort. Funny.
Fail.
Hoss
Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
“prove it”
Read Matthew.
It's interesting to me that the question is almost entirely a Western one. I once asked an Orthodox how they answered their children when a particular question concerning the Holy Eucharist was asked. His reply was: they don't ask.
It really is a Western mindset that resulted in this. And Protestants and atheists. These arose in the West.
I think there are positives in the Church's Western mind, science and scholasticism and the university system come to mind, but there are negatives also.
I love reading St. John Chrysostom, the Desert Fathers, the Philokalia; I recommend "Orthodox Spirituality by A Monk of the Eastern Church" to all Christians.
I think the two lungs together, taking the best of both, is the ideal we should strive for.
Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."
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