Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish

Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

[marshmallow]

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.

[Jvette]

I commented on it already and I am familiar with his work.

Please feel free to continue acting as if I did not and acting as if you are familiar with any of it outside the snippets and soundbites you found on some anti Catholic website.

As I said, Catholic theology, like the one, true and Almighty God whom she seeks to know and teach, is profoundly deep and comes from 2,000 years of theologians and authors. A one dimensional mind and closed heart cannot possibly understand it.

The intent was to muddy the water, not foster honest debate.

That was my objection, that is why I refuse to comment on the quotes and why I still will not.

If any one would honestly like to discuss the actual full context of this book and the theology behind it, I would be glad to do so.

Otherwise, I will not dignify drive by posting.

[Jvette]

..so why on earth are you ‘looking elswhere’ to confirm or not?

I repeat, I never refuted that the quotes came from the book you credited.

I object to the way the quotes were posted, heavy with redaction and in such a way as to distort what the author is saying and how he came to say what he actually did say.

I am not looking elsewhere. I googled the quotes in an attempt to find the full quote to read so as to comment.

What came up when I did that was numerous anti Catholic websites with the exact same quotes, redacted in exactly the same way.

I was born in the morning, but not this morning.

Drive by posting with plausible deniability.

It’s a good game, protestants here have it down pat.

[Rashputin]

Of course you don’t see it, you are part and parcel of the very heresy spoken of. Enjoy.

[Judith Anne]

>>>>>It’s in there and any don’t need anti-anything sites to establish these are his quotes from his authored book.

No, you need the anti-Catholic websites to cut and paste the content of the quotes to make it reflect an anti-Catholic bigoted bias. We’re familiar with that tactic. Legal, but despicable.

[Judith Anne]

Another common tactic is to take anti-Catholic, inaccurate bigoted content that is posted on an accepted site, and simultaneously on a forbidden site, and give the accepted site as the only source. That’s the one that annoys me.

And no, I am not going to give any examples. But I will continue to point it out each time it is used.

[Rashputin]

It's always interesting to see posters who think they're extremely clever pretend to be saying something very simple after they've been caught at trying to pull the wool over other peoples eyes in what they thought was a clever manner. These folks have rote, and cut & paste, blatant lies, and that's it. No real basis in Scripture or even clear logic and reason apart from Scripture. The ones who try and stray from the usual games are forced, in short order, to attempt to change the subject, answer a question not asked to imply they're responding to something that was never really said, red herrings, strawmen, and what you are dealing with , ripping portions of Scripture or text out of context and pretending it is complete. As you are commenting on, they'll even happily take a portion of a sentence and pretend that's the entire sentence so they can attack what thy want to pretend is true.

That's why queer Episcopalian Bishops are not much of an issue compared to an opportunity to take off on the anti-Catholic rant. Episcopalian queers? Baptist Abortionists? Presbyterians marrying queers one to another? Lutherans who deny that contraception is either murder or disobedience? Fundamentalist mega Pastors who preach Universal Salvation? No problem with any of that, the real problem is that a single priest may get away with having a queer Episcopalian Bishop speak in a Catholic Church. So, thousands of anti-Catholic lies later they're reduced to the usual tricks and lies in order to even try to look like they ever had a point to begin with. The reality is that it was clear to everyone that they didn't care a bit about Christianity rather than anti-Catholic hatred before even the first thousands posts were finished. Whenever Catholics hang in and don't just dismiss them and leave the thread to them, everyone who reads the comments soon realizes that the anti-Catholic crowd are for the most part a religion of Self, not based on Scripture, not based on Truth, not based on Christ, not based on anything other than pure, unadulterated, hatred of Catholics, and in reality, of all things Christian, not just Catholic.

Thanks for the good posts JA & Jvette, I do appreciate them. And I really appreciate you and others having the patience to hang in there and not abandon the field to the enemy as has happened a good many times in the past. As I grow in my knowledge of Catholicism, I hope to become as faithful a defender of the Faith as you folks and others here have been and are being.

Regards

[Iscool]

Thanks...

[Iscool]

Beautiful response Boatbums....very interesting as well...thank you.

Exactly...And who would send someone to attack the scriptures and the priesthood of believers; God or Satan???

[Iscool]

Of course you don’t see it, you are part and parcel of the very heresy spoken of. Enjoy.

Lame, Lame, Lame, Lame, Lame...That's all you got??? HaHaHaHa...

[MarkBsnr]

I know 2 former hippies , they are both Roman Catholics . Hitler results were no different than the results of the inquisition . Maybe he thought what he did was ok because they did it first .

Again; I will state that the hippies embraced personal freedom without responsibility (OSAS, Calvinism and YOPIOS). Hitler renounced Catholicism.

Personal freedom with no responsibility ? There is no such thing . The only way to have personal freedom is to be responsible for it .

The OSAS practictioners will repudiate your argument. I don't, by the way, but their philosophy does.

[MarkBsnr]

No,... I will not go further than the authors quote, book and the page number,... which is more than sufficient for any to locate if they desire more information........... Just as scriptures are quoted on these threads by all... and location,... which should be sufficient for any to locate if they desire more than what’s quoted.

I hate to do this because we have been engaging recently in good discourse, but you have been quoting from antiCatholic websites who have done your excerpting for you. It is not you who have been putting the snippets together, but them. That is not how you and I have been discussing things over the last while. May I ask why the change?

[CynicalBear]

>> So, sorry Rashputin, I do NOT see how you can possibly conclude that the "priesthood of all believers" - taught by St. Peter, himself - is something that should be seen as a grave error and heresy. You have not proved your contention.

Thank you boatbums! Great work! Scripture truly has the answers!

[Future Snake Eater]

You “merely defend the faith” by insulting everyone who’s not a member of it, acting as if you have a window into the soul of every protestant on Earth as well as into God’s mind as to what He thinks. You don’t see anything wrong with that?

[CynicalBear]

All those posts and not one answer to the information contained. Each time I see the screech and howl of “anti Catholic website” I can be assured that the information contained in the post has validity. I’ve noticed that each time the “run to the teacher to make them stop” cry is raised it’s time to take note of the information posted needs further research because it’s evidently something that can’t be refuted.

[Judith Anne]

Yeah sure. Spoken like a true authority. Thanks.

[Judith Anne]

>>>>>No,... I will not go further than the authors quote, book and the page number,... which is more than sufficient for any to locate if they desire more information........... Just as scriptures are quoted on these threads by all... and location,... which should be sufficient for any to locate if they desire more than what’s quoted.

Just as we thought. Cut and pasted from some anti-Catholic website. Why would anyone pay attention to that drivel?

[Rashputin]

Unless those tossing the quotes from such scum sucking sites are planning to go the teacher so that, like so much else, they can scream about something that isn't true, I think it's become very clear that people are willing to just keep pointing out the lies, misinterpretations, and misrepresentations of both documents and Scriptures, along with the red herrings and strawmen so loved by those who enjoy playing their little anti-Catholic games.

I have an idea, one of the anti-Catholic folk can derive some new definition of what the word, "is", is then scream, "yes it is!!!". Ohhh, better still, one of said folks could repeat a set of magic words their own personal interpretation of Scriptures has convinced them is the equivalent of surrendering to Christ.

That should solve everything that upsets the Carnal Christian crowd who claim to have Christ as their personal indentured slave.

Have a nice day

[CynicalBear]

And still no scriptural refutation of the content of the post.

[caww]

Foolish comment...source is the authors book....as I wrote and referenced. Pay attention and you won’t be tripping over your own feet Judith.

[caww]

There too busy trying to find what’s not there....and looking for it in equally all the wrong places....interesting their searching sites which oppose their faith rather than go to the sources referenced....once again proving most are not interested in defending their beliefs. Maybe because they can’t?