Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow
A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.
Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.
Christians believe we become “partakers of the divine nature”
for example, one aspect of the divine nature is God has no beginning and no ending.
In Christ, we will live forever with God in heaven.
we become partakers of this aspect of the divine nature.
Christians believe this because God revealed this to us.
Although the doctrine of Divinization (Theosis) has been discussed many times it appears than in today's round of Whack-a-Mole has been brought up again. Its like the Turkey Buzzards returning to Hinkley, Ohio.
"Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires." 2 Peter 1:4
Not only that, NL, there is something that YOUR OWN CHURCH REQUIRES that you believe for salvation that is NOT EVEN IN THE APOSTLES CREED OR THE NICENE CREED: BOTH were SILENT concerning the ASSUMPTION OF MARY. The same thing is true of ALL other ACCEPTED CREEDS OF THE EARLY CHURCH.
So much for OFFICIAL professions of faith...
I believe that Jesus Christ paid the price for all my sins and through Him I have everlasting life with Him. He paid the price ONCE and for all of eternity.
Wow! That jailor Paul said was saved surely learned a lot in the few seconds he took to proclaim his belief. And that thief on the cross must have been a speed reader. Of course the thousands that were saved on that hill must have been there for days and days being “catechized”.
Catholics and Orthodox Christians believe that we will not become part of God’s essence as in the Holy Trinity, but we are purified by God’s grace by faith and his love such that we re-attain his image and likeness.
http://www.greekorthodoxchurch.org/theosis_how.html
It’s not the same as pantheism or the New Age.
The Evangelical rejection of the dogma of Theosis has more to do with Western rationalism than it does with the Bible.
Unofficially then, aside from being an avowed anti-Catholic, what is your profession of faith or in simpler terms what do you believe in?
Now lets see if your Gospel contains any Christianity and if you practice any. Jesus said "What ever you do to the least of my brethren that you did to me. What have you done to stop the practice of abortion in your community, in your state or at a national level? Have you inconvenienced or endangered yourself in any way? Have you personally marched for life? ave you personally picketed an abortion clinic or a provider? Have you reached out to the girls and women contemplating or seeking an abortion? Have you given money to assist those who are working to end the practice here and abroad? Have you worked on any petition campaigns? Have you sheltered any of the girls who have fled from the circumstances that cause them to seek abortions? Or have you spent endless hours, in goat-like fashion, opposing the largest and most effective organization that is doing all of those things you don't do?
It’s a lie why, because you say so?
So does this FACT make the Apostles Creed incomplete? Or when you repeat this profession of faith, do you add the assumption of Mary at some point in the Apostles Creed? It is all about THE PROFESSION OF FAITH, after all.
Satan even knows that the statements made in the Nicene Creed and the Apostles Creed are correct. I can imagine he says “yea, I believe that too”.
II. Relics
Mark 15:43; John 19:38 - Joseph of Arimathea sought Christ’s dead body instead of leaving it with the Romans. Joseph gave veneration to our Lord’s body.
Mark 16:1; Luke 24:1 - the women came to further anoint Christ’s body even though it had been sealed in the tomb.
John 19:39 - Nicodemus donated over one hundred pounds of spices to wrap in Jesus’ grave clothes. This is also veneration of our Lord’s body.
Matt. 9:21; Mark 5:28 - the woman with the hemorrhage just sought the hem of Christ’s cloak and was cured. This shows that God uses physical things to effect the supernatural.
Acts 19:11-12 - Paul’s handkerchiefs healed the sick and those with unclean spirits. This is another example of physical things effecting physical and spiritual cures.
Acts 5:15 - Peter’s shadow healed the sick. This proves that relics of the saints have supernatural healing power, and this belief has been a part of Catholic tradition for 2,000 years.
Rev. 6:9 - the souls of the martyrs are seen beneath the heavenly altar. Their bones are often placed beneath altars in Catholic churches around the world.
2 Kings 13:21 - Elisha’s bones bring a man back to life. The saints’ bones are often kept beneath the altars of Catholic churches and have brought about supernatural cures throughout the Christian age.
Rom. 13:7; Phil. 2:25-29; Heb. 3:3; 1 Pet. 2:7 – we are taught to honor the people of God and in 1 Cor. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 11:1-2; Phil. 3:17; 1 Thess. 1:6; 2 Thess. 3:7; Heb. 6:12; Heb. 13:7; James 5:10-11 – we are reminded to imitate them. Keeping relics of the saints serves both to honor and imitate their heroic faith in Christ (just as keeping articles of deceased loved ones helps us honor and imitate them).
You are a very dependable person. I can always depend on you to try to change the subject when confronted by a question you don’t want to answer. I’ll answer your question just as soon as we can put my question to you in the “been answered” column.
Yep. As long as the GOSPEL is left out, it doesn’t matter what else is included. Satan can read them all and say “yes, correct, I know that, I believe that” and be on his way. It’s the Gospel that makes a creed worth anything.
Jesus founded the Church as his body and apart from his body, which is the Church there is no salvation.
Protestantism is a heresy, ergo it is outside of orthodox Christianity. There’s no difference between 21st century Protestants and 1st and 2nd century Gnostics who the early Christians saw as being outside of Christianity.
Evangelicalism is truncated Christianity.
How can you know that when God says differently in the scriptures...
The church is not the instrument of salvation...The church is the result of salvation, according to God...
All of your arguments are strawmen. Latin Catholics and Orthodox Christians DO NOT give dulia to Mary, which is reserved to God alone.
Perhaps American Protestants should stop honoring George Washington and the Founding Fathers.
No Mary, No Jesus. Perhaps you shouldn’t celebrate Christmas. Mary must never be referred to apart from Christ.
We honor the New Eve who paved the way to our salvation by saying YES to God when she was called to be the mother of our savior.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutheran_Marian_theology
Martin Luther said the following about Mary:
[S]he became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child.... Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God.... None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.”[10]
On account of this personal union and communion of the natures, Mary, the most blessed virgin, did not conceive a mere, ordinary human being, but a human being who is truly the Son of the most high God, as the angel testifies. He demonstrated his divine majesty even in his mother’s womb in that he was born of a virgin without violating her virginity. Therefore she is truly the mother of God and yet remained a virgin.
Mother Mary, like us, was born in sin of sinful parents, but the Holy Spirit covered her, sanctified and purified her so that this child was born of flesh and blood, but not with sinful flesh and blood. The Holy Spirit permitted the Virgin Mary to remain a true, natural human being of flesh and blood, just as we. However, he warded off sin from her flesh and blood so that she became the mother of a pure child, not poisoned by sin as we are. For in that moment when she conceived, she was a holy mother filled with the Holy Spirit and her fruit is a holy pure fruit, at once God and truly man, in one person.”
John Calvin on Mary’s perpetual virginity:
Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned.
(Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)
[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation.
(Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)
Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity.
(Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3] )
Likewise, commenting on 7:7, Calvin writes:
Nor has the error as to this matter been confined to the common people and illiterate persons; for even the most eminent doctors, devoting themselves unreservedly to the commendation of virginity, and forgetting human infirmity, have overlooked this admonition of Paul — nay rather, of Christ himself. Jerome, blinded by a zeal, I know not of what sort, does not simply fall, but rushes headlong, into false views. Virginity, I acknowledge, is an excellent gift; but keep it in view, that it is a gift. Learn, besides, from the mouth of Christ and of Paul, that it is not common to all, but is given only to a few. Guard, accordingly, against rashly devoting what is not in your own power, and what you will not obtain as a gift, if forgetful of your calling you aspire beyond your limits.
And for 7:8:
The sum is this, that an unmarried life has many advantages, and that these are not to be despised, provided every one measures himself according to his own size and measure. Hence, though virginity should be extolled even to the third heavens, this, at the same time, always remains true — that it does not suit all, but only those who have a special gift from God.
Exodus 7:11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. 12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents:
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Who or What is Jesus Christ and what is His relationship to or with God?
Where does the Holy Spirit figure in to your creed?
What do you think; "For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven. means?
What do you think; "For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died and was buried." means?
Better yet, scroll through the following and tell me what you reject and object to:
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became truly human.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
It sounds as tho they view themselves as vagrants stopping by God's house looking for a favor; a hand out...Maybe do a little work for their keep...And if they get God angry, he'll kick 'em out, send 'em on their way...
Not realizing that Christians are already members of the household...We're heirs...Our names are on the deed of the house...We ain't going nowhere...
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