Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish

Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

[marshmallow]

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.

[metmom]

There is no mystery any more.....

Ephesians 3:1-12 1For this reason I, Paul, a prisoner for Christ Jesus on behalf of you Gentiles— 2assuming that you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3 how the mystery was made known to me by revelation, as I have written briefly. 4 When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit. 6This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

7 Of this gospel I was made a minister according to the gift of God’s grace, which was given me by the working of his power. 8To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things, 10so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11This was according to the eternal purpose that he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through our faith in him.

Colossians 1:24-28 24Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church, 25 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, 26 the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints. 27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28Him we proclaim, warning everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone mature in Christ.

1 Timothy 3:16 Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

[presently no screen name]

But the, "I interpret Me" folks say

Keep IGNORING the Holy Spirit and I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!

WORKS! AWK!! WORKS !! OOOOHHHH, NOOOOOO,

What kind of works would one have when they aren't saved? and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags..

[CynicalBear]

>> You don’t know the state of your soul let alone anyone else’s, so don’t be so quick to pass judgment.<<

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." I John 5:13

"It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed." Luke 1:3-4

Romans 8:38,39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

[metmom]

“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29

Wait... What?

Isn't that passage in the same chapter about eating the flesh and blood of Jesus that the Catholics like to take literally?

[presently no screen name]

Protestants seem to eagerly take God’s seat and pronounce judgment in God’s name.

Check what your 'religion' demands of you and how it opposes God's Word and you will see the one who is eager to play God and the ones who are submitting judgment on themselves by following 'man'.

[Iscool]

St. Ignatius of Antioch Epistle to the Smyrneans AD 105 CHAPTER 8 8:1

Ignatius' writings are proven forgeries...Why do you keep referencing them as if there is some truth to them???

[CynicalBear]

Yeah but literal stopped right after that and started again later I think. :-)

[Iscool]

You have shown that you don’t believe in the Bible because you don’t know the first thing about Biblical hermeneutics.

Instead you put forward your fallible interpretation of the Bible, which you don’t understand to save your soul.

You guys thought that last one was funny??? This guy's going for an Oscar...

And he might get it...

[Rashputin]

"Which organization is it again who claims to turn a wafer into blood but then claims it’s an “unbloody” sacrifice?"

What facile tripe. So bad that if I were willing to sink to the level of the "loving non-Catholic Christians" around here, I'd call it vomit and dismiss it by saying, "I don't care what sort of Protestant vomit you spew, it's not worthy of an answer" the same way people have answered me.

Did Christ bleed on the Cross?
Did He promise to re-sacrifice Himself or to provide us the fruits of His sacrifice?
Is it impossible for Christ to preserve the results of His original Sacrifice?
Did Christ lie when he said he would provide His Blood and His Body?
Do people who deny what Christ Himself said think Christ was such a sorry excuse for a human being that he could not make Himself understood?
Can someone actually believe in Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit but where Christ is directly quoted call Christ a bumbling idiot or a liar?

For people who claim to believe in the "clear meaning of Scripture" those who pretend to not know what the term "unbloody Sacrifice" means or who deliberately distort the term can only be working very hard to avoid the Truth or working very hard to deliberately spread lies. Christ bled and died for us. At Mass, Christ offers us His body in the Host, and His blood in the wine. No new sacrifice is required, no new bloody flesh, no new flowing blood, the exact same flesh and blood that was Sacrificed once and for all is presented to us exactly as Christ said it would be.

A single out of context verse isn't, "Ask Jesus", it's bunk pure and simple. Someone trying to pretend they have a Scriptural basis for what they want to believe and hope to convince others to ignore the context, and the context is the entire Bible. Context isn't a selection of individual verses strung on threads of personally fabricated fallacies or Protestant heresies that claim "Thy Will" and "My Intellect" are one and the same. Context is the entire Bible, the entire Old Testament and entire New Testament, even the portions of the Old Testament that Luther threw out, and without proper interpretation rather than personal interpretation, even the entire Bible is just pearls before swine. The Holy Spirit does not and cannot directly contradict what Christ clearly said in Scripture, and in Scripture Christ clearly said he would provide the result of His Crucifixion which was THE sacrifice we share in at Mass. That's why "communion" that denies the real presence is a mockery that pretends to remember a nice supper but in reality is a celebration of calling Christ a liar to His face.

Participation in such a service by those who are ignorant is one thing, but those who have been clearly confronted with the serious implications of not believing in the real presence are in great danger. Which is why Luther insisted that the real body and real blood were present. Even Luther knew he couldn't directly call Christ a liar without damning himself.

[CynicalBear]

>> Context isn't a selection of individual verses strung on threads of personally fabricated fallacies<<

So show us the “scriptural context” of Peter becoming the Rock after many, many verses establishing that there is no other Rock but God. Could you do that for us?

>> The Holy Spirit does not and cannot directly contradict what Christ clearly said in Scripture<<

Deut. 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

2 Sam. 22:2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; 3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.

Psalm 18:31, "And who is a rock, except our God."

Isaiah 44:8, "Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none."

Rom. 9:33, "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, and he who believes in Him will not be disappointed."

1 Cor. 3:11, "For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ,"

1 Cor. 10:4, "and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock (petras) which followed them; and the rock (petra) was Christ."

Now would you tell us that the Holy Spirit contradicted Himself when you claim Peter suddenly became the Rock?

>> Which is why Luther insisted that the real body and real blood were present.<<

Matthew 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

[CynicalBear]

Not only that but he’s getting rather personal it seems to me.

[Iscool]

Catholics don’t place bishops or the Pope on the same level as God.

I don't believe you...You call your pope Holy Father which in itself is a slap to the face of God...

Real Christians who have been born from above know without any doubt whatsoever that the Holy Spirit (God) is God's representative on Earth...

The real fact is, we Christians are all God's representatives on Earth...

They are Christ’s representatives who rule over the flock in his earthly absence, but if they betray Christ through personal unworthiness or heresy we have an obligation to resist them.

Now there's a real contradiction...You guys tell us over and over again that God uses your sinful clergy to preach the truth, because there is no error in your religion...So which is it???

[Rashputin]

If you think that after you accept Christ He will not use you for every good work He has for you to do, that those works are all filthy rags just like works that some perform thinking works alone will save them, that's fine with me.

However, even the verse so often distorted in an attempt to show some spider silk thin thread of "proof" that the doctrine of Sola Yourselfa is in the Bible includes, "thoroughly furnished unto all good works". I suppose those who cannot accept Christ and can only accept their own intellect can never produce anything except filthy rags, but Christ and the Apostles teach that we are to produce good works, that we were let men see our good works to glorify the Father, created in Christ unto good works, and so on including the fact that without works faith is dead. We're also told time and again that we will be judged, not covered with some snow and smuggled into heaven in the diplomatic pouch.

However, if whatever you want to believe makes you happy, that's just fine.

[Quix]

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

[Iscool]

So John was lying when he said the opposite?

John didn't say the opposite...You guys are consistent if nothing else...You tell us what the scriptures say but you always add a bunch of words that do not exist in the scriptures...Or you leave some out or you change them...

It must be easy for you to dupe other Catholics...

[Quix]

In contrast, even the non-Catholics do and will recognize some Catholics faith as legitimate even though they remain in Catholicism.

You are saying something that no one here has said.

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You must REALLLLLY be a nooooB--or pretending real well! Many of us have said similar things for our whole 10+ years on FR. I'm blessed that some of my Vatican A-M-G org folks will make Heaven. It's the ones who seem hell-bent to avoid Heaven that concern me and concern probably all the Proddys here.

[Quix]

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

However, compassionately . . .

given the DAFFYNITIONARY . . . how can they really rely on the meaning of any word in their farcical constructions on reality—from one day to the next?

[Quix]

INDEED.

Going for an Oscar?

Hmmmmm there might be a problem with that goal . . .

[Quix]

Not only that but he’s getting rather personal it seems to me.

It's !!!!TRADITION!!!! for the Vatican Ashteroth-Mary-Goddess cult.

[metmom]

Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

The resurrected Jesus doesn’t have blood, it’s all been shed.

If you’re partaking of blood, it’s the human blood that was in His body that hadn’t been shed yet, and hence has no redemptive power. It’s only the SHED blood that has redemptive power and that’s long gone when Jesus bled out on the cross.