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Gay Episcopal Bishop to Preach at San Francisco Catholic Parish
Catholic Culture ^ | 11/22/11

Posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:08 AM PST by marshmallow

A notoriously 'gay-friendly' parish in San Francisco has invited an openly homosexual Episcopalian cleric to lead an Advent Vespers service.

Most Holy Redeemer parish asked Bishop Otis Charles, a retired Episcopalian prelate, to lead the November 30 service. After serving as the Bishop of Utah from 1971 to 1993, he publicly announced that he is homosexual. Divorced from the mother of his 5 children, he solemnized a same-sex union in 2004.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; boatbums; D-fendr; CynicalBear; RnMomof7; smvoice; Iscool; ...
now, everyone must believe “baptism” is a major tenent of Christianity. Jesus commanded the Church to teach and baptize in Matthew 28. Peter commanded baptism for the remission of sins and receiving the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:38. Paul was commanded to be baptized and wash away his sins in Acts 22:16. major tenent.

The Church has taught baptismal regeneration since Peter preached on Pentecost. The Church Fathers all teach in baptism we are born again.

Tell me then. Is the hit man for the mafia who kills for a living saved because he was baptized?

1,441 posted on 11/29/2011 6:47:21 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
spoken by someone who has never read the decrees of the ecumentical council, they speak of Christ from beginning to end.

You mean they're posting on FR? What are their screen names?

1,442 posted on 11/29/2011 6:50:03 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: HossB86

Thanks for your reply, Hoss, but I still think your flinched.

Here’s my premise:

“if sola scriptura is based on the same authority, it cannot result in such radically different religions, or interpretations” [This refers to the practice of Sola scriptura/Holy Spirit that was named as the “infallible source”.]

put more in proper form the premise is:

“Dramatically different religions or interpretations cannot result from the same infallible source.”

How or why do you believe this premise is false? Or, is this a true statement in your view:?

“Dramatically different religions or interpretations *can* result from the same infallible source.”


1,443 posted on 11/29/2011 6:50:46 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Pedophile priests and their enabling superiors are yours.

Deal with it, which would be a a refreshing change for Catholicism.


1,444 posted on 11/29/2011 6:52:10 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; boatbums; RnMomof7; D-fendr; rzman21; Iscool

how many times must i remind you of your story line:

former catholic, reads the bible, becomes saved, ........

to keep in “character”, you should pretend to know the Church has not believed for 2,000 years in “once saved, always saved”

your other buddies will get mad at you as well, you forget the story line is Catholics believe we are saved by works.

keep practicing, you will get better.

here’s a suggestion, send me a private email first and i will let you know what off the wall statements it contains, that someone who supposedly was catholic would not say.
i am always here to stop you from continuing to make a fool of yourself.

thank me!


1,445 posted on 11/29/2011 6:53:33 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: HossB86

I believe “infallible authority” was the term used, though “source” is similar enough, authority would be more in keeping with what is used in the discussion.


1,446 posted on 11/29/2011 6:53:40 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; D-fendr; HossB86; CynicalBear; metmom
“scriptural proof of sola scriptura?”

LOL.. this coming from people that believe in an immaculate conception, assumption, purgatory ,and a NT Christian priesthood.. hypocrisy knows no end ....

When Jesus taught ,when the writers of the NT taught, they supported their teachings by the OT.....

Paul commanded keeping the Apostolic Tradition in 1 Corinthians 11:2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:15.

The apostles are all dead.. there are no more apostles to "follow.." By the time the last of the apostles died there were inspired scriptures to follow..the possibility of human error was removed by God inscribing His word on the parchment later to be called the NT.

1,447 posted on 11/29/2011 6:54:36 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Or you could actually attempt a response to the question for a discussion. I invite you too. I actually get tired of just zipping each other.


1,448 posted on 11/29/2011 6:56:25 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; metmom

When will you know if you are good enough or have done enough to be saved??


1,449 posted on 11/29/2011 6:57:09 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

FOTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


1,450 posted on 11/29/2011 6:58:32 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

remember, former catholic...........

keep asking dumb questions like this and some people may start to suspect that maybe that “former catholic” line was maybe.....what is the RM approved terminology, oh yeah, maybe it was an “UNTRUTH”.

LOL!!


1,451 posted on 11/29/2011 6:59:11 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: D-fendr
I actually get tired of just zipping each other.

No comment on that observation huh?

1,452 posted on 11/29/2011 7:00:14 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: HossB86
when you misrepresent the meaning of Sola Scriptura

I asked here for all and everyone's meaning of sola scriptura. I'd welcome your view as well.

1,453 posted on 11/29/2011 7:01:02 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor; RnMomof7; Iscool

So with all that why didn’t they make sure to get what the Apostles wrote about the bodily assumption of Mary in there? You would think with that being such an important part of Catholic belief the would have made sure to include what the Apostles wrote about that. I mean, surely the Apostles wrote about such and important event right? Especially John who took her in. Maybe you could find which one of the Apostles wrote about that?


1,454 posted on 11/29/2011 7:04:08 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: D-fendr

My view has been posted... do a search.

It’s pretty straight-forward.

Hoss


1,455 posted on 11/29/2011 7:05:08 PM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: RnMomof7

When Jesus taught ,when the writers of the NT taught, they supported their teachings by the OT.....

WRONG AGAIN.

Jesus and the Apostles taught new doctrines not contained in the OT.


1,456 posted on 11/29/2011 7:05:14 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: D-fendr; HossB86; CynicalBear; metmom
I asked here for all and everyone's meaning of sola scriptura. I'd welcome your view as well.

Well this seems good

"For how can we adopt those things which we do not find in the holy Scriptures?"
- Ambrose (On the Duties of the Clergy, 1:23:102)

And this one

“Let the inspired Scriptures then be our umpire, and the vote of truth will be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words.”
- Gregory of Nyssa (d.ca, 395) “On the Holy Trinity”, NPNF, p. 327

This is also good

“Neither dare one agree with catholic bishops if by chance they err in anything, but the result that their opinion is against the canonical Scriptures of God.”
- Augustine (354–430) De unitate ecclesiae, 10

1,457 posted on 11/29/2011 7:05:42 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
When Jesus taught ,when the writers of the NT taught, they supported their teachings by the OT..... WRONG AGAIN. Jesus and the Apostles taught new doctrines not contained in the OT.

Like??

1,458 posted on 11/29/2011 7:07:08 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

That observation is pretty well answered and shop worn. Might as well wear it as a tagline.

The post you replied to referred to an attempt to discuss what those on here mean by sola scriptura and offers a logical argument for or against whether sola scriptura is derived from scripture using a common verse.

That would be different I think and that’s a large part of why I offered it. A coherent debate rather than continuing trading assertions.


1,459 posted on 11/29/2011 7:07:40 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: RnMomof7

find me Romans 2:29 taught in the OT.

let me know if you want more.


1,460 posted on 11/29/2011 7:11:12 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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