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To: Quix

I agree with you on many things, your opposition to the RCC “Ashteroth-Mary-Goddess,” for instance. Spot on. However, as a post-trib premill, I don’t agree with your posts about a progressively revealed pretrib rapture.

When Jesus gave his Olivet Discourse, the longest teaching he ever gave on one subject, knowing that it was only hours before he was going to go to the cross and leave them, if there was a pretrib rapture before the tribulation, he would surely have told his disciples about it RIGHT THEN AND THERE. Yet He said nothing about it.

He dealt extensively with the tribulation period in his discourse,and the things that would lead up to it, RIGHT THEN AND THERE was the occasion to bring up a pretrib rapture - if it were true.

He gave no indication in his discourse that we are supposed to wait several thousand years for a pretrib rapture to evolve (a form of evolution in itself).

No progressive revelation about an alleged pretrib rapture. What Jesus told us in his Olivet Discourse is not good enough?

As to the epistles and Revelation, they merely give us more detail about the same post-trib coming.


204 posted on 11/14/2011 10:42:09 AM PST by sasportas
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To: sasportas; Quix
He gave no indication in his discourse that we are supposed to wait several thousand years for a pretrib rapture to evolve (a form of evolution in itself).

No progressive revelation about an alleged pretrib rapture. What Jesus told us in his Olivet Discourse is not good enough?

As to the epistles and Revelation, they merely give us more detail about the same post-trib coming.

Well said, thank you. There is no scriptural nor historical evidence for a pre-trib rapture. It was made up out of whole cloth by Darby.

208 posted on 11/14/2011 11:12:16 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: sasportas

Thanks for your kind words and tone in your thoughtful reply.

That’s just not how I read Scripture nor history.

For one, I don’t think we can know the full mind of Christ on the matter as He has not made such clear.

It seems to be one of those things He deliberately left for the faithful to dig out with the guidance of Holy Spirit.

His Word does mention His preference, requirement for our doing that . . . speaking of the ‘hidden things of God’ . . . a ‘time’ for their being known etc. . . . a number of times.


231 posted on 11/14/2011 1:00:30 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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