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To: Alex Murphy
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. -- Romans 13:1

And when the governing authorities say, "Non licet esse Christianus" what does "being subject" involve?

Serious question. I'm too tired to play gotcha

18 posted on 11/08/2011 7:41:42 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Jesus, I trust in you.)
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To: Mad Dawg
The real question is this.

Who in an organization should be held accountable when a sex abuse charge is reported but not acted on?

Running to the defense of “It is the Church, so the laws governing other organizations don't apply” is a very, very dangerous line to take. For it opens the door to continued cover ups and abuse. For example, how could your prosecute a polygamist sect where the head of the church was able to claim immunity?

As an aside, the statement that each diocese is a stand alone corporation is a very interesting one for ecclesial government. The risk is that you end up with each diocese being a stand alone church (which is the case in many areas). It also means the theology of the Catholic Church doesn't reflect the reality on the ground. It also begs the question of why the Pope is able to have authority to name the executives of said corporations (bishops) while claiming to not have any real authority over those corporations. I fear you, or any Christian for that matter, will not like how that gets decided in court one of these days.

This isn't unique to the Catholic Church. My own LCMS has some interesting corporate structure that was set up to protect property and has become very problematic. The unwinding of a hundred years of legal posturing is going to be very interesting.

33 posted on 11/08/2011 10:28:19 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Mad Dawg
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. -- Romans 13:1

And when the governing authorities say, "Non licet esse Christianus" what does "being subject" involve?

Acts 5:29
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

54 posted on 11/08/2011 11:26:58 PM PST by boatbums ( Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us. Titus 3:5)
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