Interesting. Neither the word trinity nor triune are found in the Bible. There are, however, many instances in the New Testiment where Jesus is presented as a separate figure from the Father. At his baptism the voice of God was heard. So, was Jesus a ventriloquist? Jesus prayed to his Father. Was he praying to himself?
In John 17:11 Jesus prayed to his Father thusly: “And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.”
Jesus prayed that his deciples would be one just as He and His Father are one. Are we destined then to become some monster multi-person entity. I think not. It’s clear to me that Jesus wanted his deciples to be one in purpose. And it’s just as clear that Jesus and His Father are one in purpose not in person.
The strange triune trinity doctrine comes not from the Bible but from a pagan. Eusibius was a great historian who was at the Nicean counsil. He says that Constantine dismissed the counsil without addressing the question of the nature of God. But by prior araingement some of the delegates remained and it was from that small body that Constantine (a pagan) got the vote on a triune godhead. Thus, the triune trinity is a pagan belief, not from the Bible, and not in any way a part of Christian belief.
I don’t much care what a preson beleives or teaches, except for this: if he follows the golden rule and believes that Jesus died for our sins, then I count that person a Christian.
Interesting. Neither the word trinity nor triune are found in the Bible. There are, however, many instances in the New Testiment where Jesus is presented as a separate figure from the Father. At his baptism the voice of God was heard. So, was Jesus a ventriloquist? Jesus prayed to his Father. Was he praying to himself?
In John 17:11 Jesus prayed to his Father thusly: “And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.”
Jesus prayed that his deciples would be one just as He and His Father are one. Are we destined then to become some monster multi-person entity. I think not. It’s clear to me that Jesus wanted his deciples to be one in purpose. And it’s just as clear that Jesus and His Father are one in purpose not in person.
The strange triune trinity doctrine comes not from the Bible but from a pagan. Eusibius was a great historian who was at the Nicean counsil. He says that Constantine dismissed the counsil without addressing the question of the nature of God. But by prior araingement some of the delegates remained and it was from that small body that Constantine (a pagan) got the vote on a triune godhead. Thus, the triune trinity is a pagan belief, not from the Bible, and not in any way a part of Christian belief.
I don’t much care what a preson beleives or teaches, except for this: if he follows the golden rule and believes that Jesus died for our sins, then I count that person a Christian.
>>> Thank you for stating what Sola Scriptura really is about.
“Neither the word trinity nor triune are found in the Bible. There are, however, many instances in the New Testiment where Jesus is presented as a separate figure from the Father.”
From God’s Holy inerrant Word:
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” Matthew 28:18-20
“I and my Father are one.” John 10:30
“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.”
2 Corinthians 13:14
### Interesting. Neither the word trinity nor triune are found in the Bible. There are, however, many instances in the New Testiment where Jesus is presented as a separate figure from the Father. At his baptism the voice of God was heard. So, was Jesus a ventriloquist? Jesus prayed to his Father. Was he praying to himself? ###
You pose a couple of questions above, but they are not the correct ones. But in that vein, does the chemical term “dihydrogen oxide” appear in the Bible? Is not water a separate manifestation than ice or vapor (steam), which terms _do_ appear in The Holy Scriptures? Are not water, ice, and steam all the same substance? In fact, do not all of the created elements have solid, liquid, and vapor states of the same composition of matter? Were not the Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost present and together in unity at His baptism-to-fulfill-righteousness? Does not The Jehovah Christ The Creator present us with triunity examples throughout the Bible?
What excuse do you want to refute the Trinity of the same substance, but of differentiated manifestations which can coexist on both a spiritual, philosophical, and material basis? Is this not a manifestation of The Elohim, The Uniplural Being (by definition)? Of and by which all things consist?
Try Isaiah 49:16 “Come ye, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.” Three of the same Deity in substance, in unity, and in differentiated manifestations, together. Is this not The Elohim?
Is this too difficult? If so, you may be operating on a natural (psuchicos) basis, not a spiritual (pneumatikos) one. If so, no one can explain to you that which requires one to understand the deep things of the Spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 2:10,13-16) It will just be foolishness to you, as it seems to be — you may not understand it from experience. Were that it be else.
(And although not a fatal flaw, you might check the spelling in your thesis to be a little more credible.)
With sincere concern and regards —
webboy,
Your post is a collection of almost every mormonic myth
about the God of the NT I’ve ever seen in one place.
Each has been refuted countless times on FreeRepublic.
First, the word “Trinity” is not in the Bible. I would
gently say to you that the word “Bible” isn’t in the
Bible either, yet you used it in your post.
We all know what is meant by the word “Bible” when we
use it.
I will assume you are unaware of the Biblical basis
for the Christian understanding that we worship a Triune
God. Perhaps your understanding is shaped by the mormonic
misunderstanding of truth. I notice in your post that you
have the mormoncentric, earthly view of God. In fact,
the great Christian Creeds were delineated because false
heresies were abounding - the same heresies mormonism
later assumed.
Because of this, I will post part of a post by
Godzilla addressing it in a simple form.
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Boiled down to its very essence the doctrine of the Trinity has two simple components -
1. There is only one TRUE God - Deuteronomy 4:35, 6:4, 10:14, Psalm 96:5, 97:9, Isaiah 43:10, 44:6-8, 44:24, 45:5-6, 45:21-23, 46:9, 48:11-12, John 17:3, 1 Timothy 2:5, Revelation 1:8, (Hosea 13:4). He is not, in His essential nature, a man: Hosea 11:9, Numbers 23:19. All other gods are false gods.
2. There are three Persons - the Father, Son and Holy Spirit – each of which are identified as God.
a. Father - 1 Peter 1:2; Philippians 2:11
b. Jesus - 2 Peter 1:1; Titus 2:13; John 1:1; 20:28; Hebrews 1:8
c. Holy Spirit - Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16-17
“Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance....And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.” —Athanasian Creed
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ampu