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To: rzman21
"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also SHALL SIT UPON TWELVE THRONES, JUDGING THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL." Mt. 19:28.

Get it? When Christ returns and sets up His kingdom, the twelve disciples will be sitting on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. When Judas went to his own, that left 11. Christ could not set up His kingdom with 11 disciples judging the twelve tribes. There is a disciple for each tribe of Israel. THAT is why Matthias was made the 12th disciple.

It has NOTHING to do with Apostolic succession. It has EVERYTHING to do with the PROMISE Christ made to His disciples.

No, I'm not setting myself up as my own Pope. I'm setting myself up as someone who can read the Bible and believe it says what it means and means what it says.

30 posted on 11/05/2011 9:06:34 PM PDT by smvoice (Who the *#@! is Ivo of Chatre & why am I being accused of not linking to his quote?)
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To: smvoice

I’m not setting myself up as my own Pope. I’m setting myself up as someone who can read the Bible and believe it says what it means and means what it says.

>>But you are picking and choosing which scriptures to tie together, so in effect you are appointing yourself as your own Church, Pope and hierarchy.

But I’ll say you have a rather novel interpretation. Now show me any Church fathers who used your hermeneutic connecting the appointment of Matthias with this verse.

The Catholic/Orthodox interpretation predates the canon of scripture we have today.

I might add there were 70 apostles, not just the 12.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventy_disciples

I imagine that if a person sitting in the pew next to you has a different interpretation they are a heretic, right?

Read Eusbius’s Ecclesiastical History, which takes the Church’s history from the cross to the time of Constantine.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/250103.htm

From what I am seeing the only difference from a Baptist and a Mormon is a matter of degrees. Both sects are implicitly Gnostic.


31 posted on 11/05/2011 10:07:05 PM PDT by rzman21
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