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To: Persevero
It's not that simple.

Our fate is not decided by God.

God hardened Pharaoh’s heart after Pharaoh's had already decided, many times, in very obvious circumstances to ignore God. This did not determine Pharoah’s fate, Pharaoh's did.

Calvainism is "another gospel".....If you doubt, why do we call it "Calvinism"? Instead of Markism, Or Johnism, or Matthewism? Or Bibleism? I believe in SOLA SCRIPTURA.....If you can't argue your position from the bible, then you are NOT a Christian, you are something else. For example in the end times, people (according to Revelation) would rather curse God and die as they hide under rocks than acknowledge that he is God.

If you want to understand WHAT God did to Pharaoh, and why, and who's decision it was, read Romans Chapter 1 - it describes how God deals with people who suppress the truth.

41 posted on 10/30/2011 5:35:30 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain

“God hardened Pharaoh’s heart after Pharaoh’s had already decided, many times, in very obvious circumstances to ignore God. This did not determine Pharoah’s fate, Pharaoh’s did.”

As a Calvinist I don’t essentially deny that. I agree that Pharoah hardened his heart (the Bible says he did). I also believe that God hardened Pharoah’s heart (the Bible says He did).

How can both things be true? I don’t know. I don’t know how Jesus turned water into wine, either. But if the Bible says God hardened Pharoah’s heart - He did.

“Calvinism is “another gospel”.....If you doubt, why do we call it “Calvinism”? “

I might say why do we call your persuasion “Arminianism?”

Because it is a shorthand term for some specific beliefs.

I could say I believe mankind is totally lost with no possibility of saving himself, that he is elected to salvation by God before he fulfills any particular condition, that Jesus died specifically for His chosen people, that no one can resist God, and that anyone who is truly saved can never be lost.

Or I can say I’m a Calvinist. It’s shorthand.

You are no doubt a Trinitarian, an inerrantist, an Arminian, a dispensationalist. None of these terms is another gospel. They are shorthand words, that’s all.

Of course I have read Romans, more times than I can count, and as you know Romans describes predestination/election more succinctly than any other book in the Bible, although most if not all books refer to it.

Summed up so beautifully in Romans 9:

“What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”

So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?”

What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?”


50 posted on 10/30/2011 11:27:09 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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